Anyone think the Bren Battle Rifle will ever be a thing in the US?

[Lakeshore Rifleman]

Having finally scored a 7.62x39 Bren 2, I was wondering whether the Bren 2 BR Battle Rifle in 7.62x51mm / .308 will ever be a thing here.

I realize nobody has information, but speculation might be interesting.

I'd imagine it might be easier to build them here, possibly at Colt, rather than importing them, given the rifle import rifle restrictions?

[The1Ven]

A person in our group asked CZ USA during a phone call about his 7.62x39 warranty work. They informed him they were waiting on ATF approval. Seems in line with previous trajectories for CZ Bren/Scorpion products coming to the US civilian market. Back in February I know they mentioned they were working on it and toying around with versions of the BR.

[MeatAxe]

Having finally scored a 7.62x39 Bren 2, I was wondering whether the Bren 2 BR Battle Rifle in 7.62x51mm / .308 will ever be a thing here.

I realize nobody has information, but speculation might be interesting.

I'd imagine it might be easier to build them here, possibly at Colt, rather than importing them, given the rifle import rifle restrictions?

Before they start muddying the water with a new gun in a more powerful cartridge, CZ needs to figure out what’s going wrong with a significant number of 7.62x39 guns - and fix them.

Given the interest, I’m sure they’ll be available eventually, barring another AWB by the Mummy & Dummy. In the meantime, you might order a Robinson XCR-M and get it in 7 or 8 months, which will probably be sooner than the CZ Bren BR.

[czkyle1776]

A person in our group asked CZ USA during a phone call about his 7.62x39 warranty work. They informed him they were waiting on ATF approval. Seems in line with previous trajectories for CZ Bren/Scorpion products coming to the US civilian market. Back in February I know they mentioned they were working on it and toying around with versions of the BR.

Anyone have any idea how long the ATF approval process takes for importing new guns. Also, kinda off topic, but tangentially related; what is the ATF approving for import? Are they ensuring that a gun design complies with US laws? If so, that should be fairly straightforward, no? Just make sure it complies with minimum length basically?

[armoredman]

ATFE approval can take quite a while, especially with the atmosphere in DC right now. It has to pass 922 statues. I am hoping to see BREN manufacture start here in the States, maybe at that nice shiny new Colt factory they just picked up...but I really don't know anything right now. The BREN BR was the one that spoke to me right from the get go, still high on the WANNA list.

[MeatAxe]

ATFE approval can take quite a while, especially with the atmosphere in DC right now. It has to pass 922 statues. I am hoping to see BREN manufacture start here in the States, maybe at that nice shiny new Colt factory they just picked up...but I really don't know anything right now. The BREN BR was the one that spoke to me right from the get go, still high on the WANNA list.

“That nice shiny new Colt factory they just picked up…” 😂

CZ needs to bleep can Colt’s upper management and move the Colt name and intellectual property to an actual shiny brand new facility down South and keep Colt Canada as a separate entity. The decrepit Colt factory in CT should be gutted and sold to make some trendy real estate development.

[alp3367]

...and keep Colt Canada as a separate entity...

 It already is. They are (and were) owned by the same holding company but Colt CA is very different from the Colt operation in the U.S.

[Driftz240]

In my opinion cz usa doesn't have the backing or want to invest the time or the repair parts in their rifles.  I own a 805 s1 and a bren 2. I love both but common repair parts are not existent and I doubt they will have  parts to maintain the br as well.  To be a viable force in the USA they need to have parts so customers can maintain their  firearms. Currently I'm sol .my 805 is down and unshootabe over a extractor I can't get.  And I don't shoot my bren 2 for fear of it needing parts. Cz has to fix this before they will ever be a thing in the USA. this is not a problem with pistols..just rifles and my opinion. Take it as you will.

[MeatAxe]

In my opinion cz usa doesn't have the backing or want to invest the time or the repair parts in their rifles.  I own a 805 s1 and a bren 2. I love both but common repair parts are not existent and I doubt they will have  parts to maintain the br as well.  To be a viable force in the USA they need to have parts so customers can maintain their  firearms. Currently I'm sol .my 805 is down and unshootabe over a extractor I can't get.  And I don't shoot my bren 2 for fear of it needing parts. Cz has to fix this before they will ever be a thing in the USA. this is not a problem with pistols..just rifles and my opinion. Take it as you will.

Well, for the first time since importation started in 2018, parts for the Bren 2 are starting to trickle in to CZ USA, though half of them are sold out at any given time. But neglecting to fix the fte issues on the x39 guns has cost them a lot of good will from their customers.

So one would reasonably ask what problems is the BR going to have, and how long will it take CZ to fix them - they still haven’t lifted a finger to fix the x39 Bren 2s that are malfunctioning.

[Driftz240]

Truth. Cz usa needs to get their stuff together before releasing any new firearms.  I totally want a bren battle rifle. At the same time in my mind im like..if my new bren br needs a extractor or some random part its a paperweight.  As a business owner myself i see a big issue here. If you bought a new car and it needed starter replaced under warranty or even after warranty and tje dealer was like sorry cant get a starter. You would be pissed. Nobody would buy and tje company would go bankrupt. But that same vehicle manufacture puts out a new sport utility model and people go...mehh i like it ill buy it.

[armoredman]

Then again, maybe that will be a priority with new in house manufacturing as well, because I cannot think that CZ-USA hasn't noticed these problems themselves, and with a global supply chain strained with all of these weird global events...things haven't been good for anyone. I would be very happy to see more parts made in the US as soon as possible!

[gasxsnake]

Truth. Cz usa needs to get their stuff together before releasing any new firearms.  I totally want a bren battle rifle. At the same time in my mind im like..if my new bren br needs a extractor or some random part its a paperweight.  As a business owner myself i see a big issue here. If you bought a new car and it needed starter replaced under warranty or even after warranty and tje dealer was like sorry cant get a starter. You would be pissed. Nobody would buy and tje company would go bankrupt. But that same vehicle manufacture puts out a new sport utility model and people go...mehh i like it ill buy it.

Sig USA:"LMAO!"

[Incognito925]

Maybe the pandemic might have something to do with it?   I know they are hard to find in CA

[Gunhand]

 I'm optimistic that with the acquisition of Colt, that maybe CZ will start producing at least some of their firearms here. Under the current administration, I can see the need to start producing their firearms domestically, at least for the U.S. market, to avoid a possible executive order to ban the import of "assault" weapons.

 If they do start producing their rifle line here, the 7.62X51 round is so popular, they would seriously miss the boat if they didn't develope one for the U.S. market.

[America_First]

Even if it was, I wouldn't even consider it, not after this debacle (to say it lightly) with the CZ Bren 2 parts situation and warranty claims for the x39 models. 

They aren't willing or ready to support their products.  It's a bit confusing to me, as they compete with the 'big boys' when it comes to handguns, yet already abandoned support for the Bren 805 (essentially making them paperweights).