What will they replace the RAMI with?

[polecat]

Just picked up a cajunized RAMI, mo box. Super accurate no sting in my finger like my old Rami. This thing is sweet. 

What do you guys think they will replace the RAMI with? I know th P10m is in Europe, I would like 10 rounds, AND DA/SA.

Dave

[MeatAxe]

Just picked up a cajunized RAMI, mo box. Super accurate no sting in my finger like my old Rami. This thing is sweet. 

What do you guys think they will replace the RAMI with? I know th P10m is in Europe, I would like 10 rounds, AND DA/SA.

Dave

Sadly, I don’t believe there will be a replacement for the Rami BD from CZ, not that does it justice, anyway. What would propel the Rami forward would simply be the addition of a rail in place of the dust cover and machining the slide for a red dot sight and taller BUIS - pretty easily done - because otherwise the Rami is superior to anything else in the sub compact class: DA/SA hammer / trigger, ergos, capacity, accuracy, conceal-ability, reliability, etc. etc.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

CZ going forward will be focusing on the striker fired market and I think trying to get some military or law enforcement contracts. The Rami lived it's life but I don't think there's any replacement on the horizon and actually I wouldn't be surprised too see some other metal framed guns dropped from the lineup.

[MeatAxe]

CZ going forward will be focusing on the striker fired market and I think trying to get some military or law enforcement contracts. The Rami lived it's life but I don't think there's any replacement on the horizon and actually I wouldn't be surprised too see some other metal framed guns dropped from the lineup.

Yeah, and that just sucks. CZ will probably come up with a “sub compact” P10 and call it a day - an improved Glock clone built for idiots and administrators thereof. Striker fire and plastiques are cheap and profitable for manufacturers, but I’ve never found one that actually shot or carried better than a good DA/SA hammer fired alloy pistol.

[Psyop96]

“P10SM” - chop the muzzle down on the S to the M’s length (about 5mm diff) while using the double stack mag/grip of the S to get 12/14 rounds instead of 7 on the M. DA/SA [emoji45]

[Earl Keese]

P10-s has almost identical dimensions and capacity to the Rami. For those hoping for a da/sa Rami replacement, I expect that the wait will be indefinite. Probably sometime after the DWX comes to market.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

CZ going forward will be focusing on the striker fired market and I think trying to get some military or law enforcement contracts. The Rami lived it's life but I don't think there's any replacement on the horizon and actually I wouldn't be surprised too see some other metal framed guns dropped from the lineup.

Yeah, and that just sucks. CZ will probably come up with a “sub compact” P10 and call it a day - an improved Glock clone built for idiots and administrators thereof. Striker fire and plastiques are cheap and profitable for manufacturers, but I’ve never found one that actually shot or carried better than a good DA/SA hammer fired alloy pistol.

I agree completely. I've fired just about every new plastic fantastic out there but none will ever replace my DA/SA guns. I own 2 PCR's and if the chance for a 3rd comes up I'll be on it.

[MeatAxe]

As far as I can tell, there are only two hammer fired DA/SA subcompact pistols still in production, the Beretta P4X (which I have not seen) and the HK P30sk.

I handled the HK P30sk at a LGS the other day. While it did have a rail, it had a plastic frame that is a lot bulkier than the Rami. Ergonomics felt ok, though the back strap panel felt bulbous and the overall grip not as comfortable as the Rami. Perhaps that could be remedied by a smaller back panel. The hammer drop button on the back of the slide next to the hammer is difficult and awkward to operate compared to the Rami BD. There is no cut on the slide to mount a RDS or tall BUIS. The paddle ambi mag release on the trigger is different - I’m not going to say worse since it has more leverage than the usual button mag releases we’re used to, but it takes some getting used to.

The DA and SA trigger on the HK is heavier than the Rami’s. The SA trigger reset is a lot longer on the HK than the Rami. Overall, the Rami has a pretty good DA / SA trigger out of the box compared to the HK’s, which is pretty mediocre.

[alp3367]

As far as I can tell, there are only two hammer fired DA/SA subcompact pistols still in production, the Beretta P4X (which I have not seen) and the HK P30sk.

 If you're not just including double stack guns there is also the Springfiled XDE. There is also another similar single stack that I always forget about...which is happening right now.

[Earl Keese]

Last time there was a thread on this subject was back in May. Pretty much the same people with the same opinions. No matter how many times we rehash this, the firearms market isn't changing. It's a polymer striker fired world.

[MeatAxe]

Last time there was a thread on this subject was back in May. Pretty much the same people with the same opinions. No matter how many times we rehash this, the firearms market isn't changing. It's a polymer striker fired world.

Just because it’s suddenly a bleep world now doesn’t mean that bleep is suddenly the greatest thing since sliced bread. Glock was shrewd enough to basically give their pistols away to LE and military for free, knowing that Joe Sixpack in the much larger civilian market would automatically follow suit, too lazy to do their own research, which is just as well, since Glocks and their clones were designed specifically for idiots, to be idiot-proof.

In the meantime, discerning shooters would be wise to accumulate ample supplies of “obsolete” alloy DA/SA pistols for the future.

[dannyvi]

I have both the Beretta PX4 compact and the HK p2000SK and the HK p30SK. I converted the Beretta PX4 with the Langdon tactical trigger group and both DA/SA are great! Changed the hammer springs on the HK to 11 pounds and is fine! I just started using a Grand Power p11Mk12 and not bad! D/A is about 10 pounds but the S/A is great! Reset is phenomenal! Better than any I have! No decocker just safety for cocked and lock carry. I still carry my 3 Rami. One is the polycarbonate lower but no bulging problems after 800 rounds so I figure this is ago!

[MeatAxe]

I have both the Beretta PX4 compact and the HK p2000SK and the HK p30SK. I converted the Beretta PX4 with the Langdon tactical trigger group and both DA/SA are great! Changed the hammer springs on the HK to 11 pounds and is fine! I just started using a Grand Power p11Mk12 and not bad! D/A is about 10 pounds but the S/A is great! Reset is phenomenal! Better than any I have! No decocker just safety for cocked and lock carry. I still carry my 3 Rami. One is the polycarbonate lower but no bulging problems after 800 rounds so I figure this is ago!

Interesting…so of all those mentioned, especially the decockers, which would be your choice for edc and why?

[dannyvi]

I practice with all of them and I find they essentially behave the same, maybe not exactly but enough. I really practice drawing and cocking at the same time. I prefer to shoot single action,if I can. I'm 79 years old and not as strong anymore.  Most probably I will get shot first but you never know! At least I have a chance. I figure its a gamble. My P2000SK is convertible to either .40 or .357 Sig. I prefer carrying that than others. I've had that the longest and pretty proficient with those calibers. I just pray it doesn't happen. 

[SteveR2013]

I have both the Beretta PX4 compact and the HK p2000SK and the HK p30SK. I converted the Beretta PX4 with the Langdon tactical trigger group and both DA/SA are great! Changed the hammer springs on the HK to 11 pounds and is fine! I just started using a Grand Power p11Mk12 and not bad! D/A is about 10 pounds but the S/A is great! Reset is phenomenal! Better than any I have! No decocker just safety for cocked and lock carry. I still carry my 3 Rami. One is the polycarbonate lower but no bulging problems after 800 rounds so I figure this is ago!

All of those pistols have polymer frames. What's to become of us traditionalists who prefer all metal handguns?