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Offline Bdubbs

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Colt will ruin CZ.
« on: July 21, 2022, 02:51:48 AM »
In fact, it has already begun.

Change my mind.

Offline Claymore504

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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2022, 08:22:33 AM »
I truly hope not. From a common sense point of view (which is lacking these days) a very successful company merged with a company (Colt) that failing in the general sense. Sure they had the Colt M4 govt contract thing, but really nothing else. The company was obviously ruined from the inside. So, one would hope CZ would squre things away and get them back to success.

I am probably missing some details. What examples do you have pointing to Colt bringing CZ down? For me personally, the demise of the CZ LE/MIL program is what has really hit me hard. When I first got into CZ, I could order guns direct from CZ (which I did many times) through their awesome MIL/LE department guys. I could reach out to them with any questions and they even took suggestions and had LE/MIL only stuff for purchase. The CZ webstore also had discounts for LE/MIL. They have pretty much wiped all of that out.
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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2022, 08:25:17 AM »
In fact, it has already begun.

How is that?

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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2022, 10:40:11 AM »
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Defend your position, or be marked as a troll.
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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2022, 01:08:43 PM »
In fact, it has already begun.

Change my mind.


Agreed. I won’t change your mind. This guy knows from the inside:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vs5Vd0_2fdE

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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2022, 02:40:26 PM »
Fully agree with him. I have not held a high opinion of Colt in many many years. I fully trusted my Colt M4 while I served in iraq as an Infantryman. However, outside of that I have not love for Colt. As a civilian I view them as a top company from years long ago. As for mil contracts and innovating, I would say Sig is now on top of that. Really not impressed that CZ has been so quiet about plans for Colt. I guess we shall see what plays out, but so far, not impressed.

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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2022, 02:43:03 PM »
Folks, I asked the OP to defend his position, not for you to do it for him. His OP was a classic ‘throwing a match into a gasoline soaked woodpile’ comment. Let’s see what he has to say.
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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2022, 09:42:51 PM »
Troll has left the room!

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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2022, 07:42:32 AM »
Troll has left the room!

He posted at 2pm on the 21st. You posted at about 10 pm on the 22nd. I know we have a habit and need for instant gratification, but give it a bit of time before calling someone a troll. Some people do other things with their time.

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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2022, 07:48:18 AM »
Troll has left the room!

He posted at 2pm on the 21st. You posted at about 10 pm on the 22nd. I know we have a habit and need for instant gratification, but give it a bit of time before calling someone a troll. Some people do other things with their time.

Agreed. Looking through his posts, he is engaged and informed. I don't think he's a troll.

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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2022, 08:21:00 AM »
That is why I have asked him to defend his position. If he does, fine. If not, then we know.  It's been two days, he apparently isn't that interested in people trying to change his mind

I will not tolerate people just throwing up a one line post designed to provoke argument, then walking away.
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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2022, 08:36:37 AM »
Oh the drama...

Offline bang bang

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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2022, 11:10:20 AM »
In fact, it has already begun.

Change my mind.

dont care, dont need to.

its your mind and way of thinking, i have better things to do than to try and change anyones mind on anything.

its not the first time colt has gone down and wont be the last...


Offline Bdubbs

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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2022, 05:21:52 PM »
Anyone had any interactions with CZ webstore customer service lately?

Where is the DWX?

Why have so many relevant products been discontinued?

The kind of resources CZ will have to dump into Colt just to keep it afloat is going to be ugly. I doubt Colt will be profitable for years to come.

No trolling here. I intended to start a discussion not an argument. That is my opinion based on recent experience and observation. I'm not happy about it but that's how it looks to me.

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Re: Colt will ruin CZ.
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2022, 05:34:16 PM »
You might look into international politics to see why some products might not be available/profitable. First, there seems to be this major land war going on nearby, (583 miles from uhersky Brod to Kiev), which has many of the European powers looking a little closer to home when it comes to weapons production. I would be quite surprised if CZ-UB hasn't diverted a LOT of production capacity to BREN 2 and P-10 firearms for use either local or diverted to Ukraine. ]
Note - this post does NOT open the floor for debate on the war, merely pointing out what is most likely taking place.
Throw in the fact that Trudeau in Canada, where Colt Canada is located, has recently made a LOT of waves with freezing production/importation of handguns and semi auto rifles, etc., which means that CZ must wonder if they bought a pig in a poke with the likely huge financial loss with Colt Canaga trying to stumble along with only military/law enforcement sales.
Then, come home to the US, where the current Administration continuously talks "assault weapon bans", "high, (?), capacity magazine bans" and other rot, and states enact laws to hold firearms manufacturers guilty of criminal misuse of lawfully sold products. Throw in that CZ had money sunk into the startup factory in Little Rock that will likely never be finished with the acquisition of Colt, and you have a very interesting financial and political landscape to navigate.
I don't doubt the influence of all these factors is what has CZ/Colt reducing production of some models, not sinking money in uncertain R&D, and perhaps just trying to catch a breath before the next idiocy. I have a strong feeling that might be the reason the BREN 2 BR has been more or less permanently shelved for US production.
So, just to be fair, I'd say wait until Jan or Feb 2023 to point the fingers at CZ, and see what might be happening.