Colt will ruin CZ.

[viking499]

Some big changes at CZ USA this week.

Details?

[Stuart]

Some big changes at CZ USA this week.

Details?

Sorry that was vague. Trying to determine if the change is public or not.

[MeatAxe]

Some big changes at CZ USA this week.

Details?

Sorry that was vague. Trying to determine if the change is public or not.

Well, make it public!

Allow me to speculate:

“CZ reissues the Rami BD, optics ready with a light rail in 9mm and .30 Super Carry!”

“CZ fixes the Bren 2 gas issues and begins production of 6.5 Grendel barrels / conversion kits.”

“CZ fires Colt management and moves all production to Arkansas, selling old CT factory to shopping center developer.”

“CZ launches new pistol models and the Scorpion Evo 3 chambered interchangeably between .357 Sig, 10mm and 7.5 FK Brno!”

“CZ announces new magazines compatible with both the original Scorpion Evo 3 and 3 Plus!”

“CZ Announces that all spare parts are in-stock on the new, easy-to-use Webstore, and shall remain that way!”


A guy can dream…that CZ will pull its collective head out of its collective ass…

[Laufer]

Quite frankly, I have no idea about the corporate interactions being discussed.

Having bought three CZ guns in the past (CZ-82, a P-O1 with 10,000 rds used!! , PCR) plus my Czechpoint VZ-58  in 2019, I would hate for anything to reduce the quality of CZ handguns. This prompted my interest in this topic.

CZ is one of the few handgun companies from which I would gladly buy a gun  -- based Only on unfamiliar owners' personal impressions-- with no chance to first handle a specific type (actually did so with a Walther P99 AS).

No kidding about my impressions of CZ designs/manufacturing, and I've stated this at least twice on TheHighRoad and possibly also on AKfiles.

[CCWLearner]

Re-posting something I posted earlier that was swept out with some other posts... including some sources this time.

As eluded to in at least one prior post, CZ-USA previously had plans to relocate from Kansas City to Little Rock, Arkansas.  There was an announcement made by CZ-USA in 2019:

https://www.kark.com/news/local-news/firearms-manufacturer-cz-usa-chooses-little-rock-for-headquarters/1947280244/

“As CZ looked to increase our presence in North America, it engaged in a multi-state search for the ideal location,” said Bogdan Heczko, CZ-USA chairman of the board. “The Arkansas workforce, culture, business climate and industry support cleared the way for us to choose Little Rock as our new home.”

By July 2021 the deal was being declared dead by the local media, with the Colt acquisition being one of the factors:

https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2021/07/22/deal-for-little-rock-port-gun-factory-is-dead

Under a deal struck with the city and the state in 2019, CZ-USA was given 73 acres worth $1.7 million at the port and a promise of almost $22 million in state incentives to build a headquarters and factory at the port. Under an amended agreement, it promised to begin construction by June 1 this year. A variety of difficulties arose, including financing and CZ’s acquisition of an existing manufacturer in another state.

[armoredman]

The factory in Little Rock is no more, yes. Colt offers MUCH more in an already existing facility. I also would like to see big announcements from CZ, but I want to see the Scorpion in 10mm, the BREN being made in the US, and a sneaker of hey, guess what, we imported the BREN 2 BR anyway! But, economics and reality being what it is...I'll wait to hear what is going on.

[BisonWorld]

Some big changes at CZ USA this week.

Details?

Sorry that was vague. Trying to determine if the change is public or not.

Probably not

[bikeridertim]

Some big changes at CZ USA this week.

Do you have a link?

[RSR]

Colt offers MUCH more in an already existing facility.

Don't agree with this.  My understanding is that Colt's current tech vs cutting edge is equivalent to combloc versus western manufacturing at the fall of the berlin wall. 

Effectively, Colt being heavily unionized and heavily underinvested in tech and machinery is ~20-30 years behind industry leaders like Aero, FN, and PSA in the AR15 world. 

Couple that with CT's heavily anti-gun and far-left governance (like anti-gun laws AND egregious and unnecessary COVID shutdowns), then yes, per the OP's title, Colt could tank CZ...

I wasn't aware that AR was a non-starter.  Beretta, for instance, already makes most of their new production handguns on the US market in Arkansas. 

[double-d]

Colt offers MUCH more in an already existing facility.

Don't agree with this.  My understanding is that Colt's current tech vs cutting edge is equivalent to combloc versus western manufacturing at the fall of the berlin wall. 

I love my combloc CZ75s-----------including the Made In Czechoslovakia markings.
Guess I don't care about cutting edge manufacturing when it comes to pistols.

[FNH5-7]

I hope CZ can turn things around with COLT. There is still millions to be made from Colt 1911's if Colt could just take their head out of their ass.

Colt dropped the ball not only in the 1911 market but later in the AR market. Out of their incompetence, emerged several 1911 and AR manufacturing companies that I believe would have never had a chance had Colt not been incompetent.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Colt offers MUCH more in an already existing facility.

Don't agree with this.  My understanding is that Colt's current tech vs cutting edge is equivalent to combloc versus western manufacturing at the fall of the berlin wall. 

Effectively, Colt being heavily unionized and heavily underinvested in tech and machinery is ~20-30 years behind industry leaders like Aero, FN, and PSA in the AR15 world. 

Couple that with CT's heavily anti-gun and far-left governance (like anti-gun laws AND egregious and unnecessary COVID shutdowns), then yes, per the OP's title, Colt could tank CZ...

I wasn't aware that AR was a non-starter.  Beretta, for instance, already makes most of their new production handguns on the US market in Arkansas.

Yep! I agree. Colt is and has been completely out of touch with reality for decades. They dropped the ball when they US military switched to higher capacity modern pistols in the 80's with a failed rendition of the 1911. They continued making the same clunky junky models well into the era where now virtually everyone else has embraced the CCW market and has many variations of handguns to suit every need in that arena. Colt's answer to that is to reintroduce the snake guns which had a very rocky start and at a price point that's well above what the average shooter wants to spend.
I hope CZ knows what they've set themselves up for at this point.

[polecat]

Maybe they sold off Colt, and can get back to their roots!

[RSR]

I love my combloc CZ75s-----------including the Made In Czechoslovakia markings.
Guess I don't care about cutting edge manufacturing when it comes to pistols.

You're missing the point.  Colt hasn't been profitable w/o government contracts and why so much of their pistol lineup, for instance, was no longer in current production when CZ bought them.

If you want either CZ or Colt or both to remain around and available, then they must modernize production to restore profitability and by extension long term company and product viability.  Retrofitting existing facilities also often takes longer, is more expensive (for many reasons including likely temporarily shutting down or scaling back portions of existing production lines), and results in less ideal layouts, etc., than just building new.

AND in today's weird world, having the max number of CZ pistols produced domestically (which is most likely with new facility) means the greatest availability for the US market regardless of any European wars, dust ups, energy crises, etc.

[RSR]

Yep! I agree. Colt is and has been completely out of touch with reality for decades. They dropped the ball when they US military switched to higher capacity modern pistols in the 80's with a failed rendition of the 1911. They continued making the same clunky junky models well into the era where now virtually everyone else has embraced the CCW market and has many variations of handguns to suit every need in that arena. Colt's answer to that is to reintroduce the snake guns which had a very rocky start and at a price point that's well above what the average shooter wants to spend.
I hope CZ knows what they've set themselves up for at this point.

Absolutely.

Also don't forget when Colt recently stopped sales of ARs to civilians...  I also agree with the article below that it was Colt's failure to compete on price or innovation (effectively: "if it's good enough for the gov't, is should be good enough for everyone else").  And it also speaks to Colt's inability to scale manufacturing to demand...  All of which are detrimental to profitability and long-term viability of the business.
https://13wham.com/colt-stopped-civilian-sales-of-the-ar-15-and-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-gun-control