Recoil Differences

[Crawl]

Is there a simple explanation for why the CZ75 Compact I rented has recoil that feels somewhat similar to my S2 while the recoil in the Shadow Line Compact is bordering on uncontrollable?

The weight of the frames does not seem like an explanation. The SLC has the weight of a light/laser hanging off of it.

Is it possible that I'm mistaken somehow?

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[steveja]

I've never held one, but there are some complaints about the oem aluminum grips on the SLC.  Too narrow and not grippy enough - according to some.
The reciprocating slide mass & height don't *look* very different from the 75 compact.  It would be interesting to weight the slides.   Spring strength is another potential factor.

[Crawl]

Because of the hand placement I use, the grips are irrelevant to managing recoil. They certainly have a strong recoil spring, but I can't see slide weight being significantly different.

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[Bret]

Spring strength is another potential factor.

This is what I'd suspect right out of the gate.  I found my first CZ75 Compact at a local gun store.  It was used but looked perfectly new, so I bought it.  When I shot it the first time I figured out why the previous owner sold it.  The recoil was horrific.  I then purchased a 22Lb Wolff recoil spring and it felt like a completely different animal; so nice.

[Raven45]

I own and shoot several CZ 75 SP01 and S2 pistols, as well as a Shadowline CZ75 Compact.  I have shot all of them quite regularly in IDPA matches and occasionally in USPSA and steel matches.

I cannot for the life of me understand how it is possible to describe the recoil of a Compact as "horrendous"!

The Shadowline Compact has an aluminum alloy frame and is a few ounces lighter that the full-size pistols.  All the pistols have LOK thin Bogies mounted.  Some of the SP01's and one of the S2's have Trijicon SRO's mounted.  My Shadowline has iron sights.

Recoil with the Compact is ever so slightly more snappy than the other described pistols.  But "horrendous"?

How is that possible with a pistol that weighs more than two lbs. (loaded) and shoots a 9mm Luger bullet? 

[Crawl]

Recoil with the Compact is ever so slightly more snappy than the other described pistols.

That is how I would describe the CZ75 Compact recoil. And that's what I'm asking. Why is the SLC so much more snappy?

[Bret]

Recoil with the Compact is ever so slightly more snappy than the other described pistols.  But "horrendous"?
How is that possible with a pistol that weighs more than two lbs. (loaded) and shoots a 9mm Luger bullet?

It can happen.  That's why I'd first suspect the recoil spring.  Each shot was literally painful.  A new recoil spring made it feel like a completely different animal.

[Crawl]

I've ordered the XP Pack from Wolf

I believe the SLC came with a 10lb hammer spring, and it gave me some light strikes with S&B. I'll use the 11.5lb hammer spring from CGW and see how that goes. Folks suggest that the hammer spring effects recoil, but I don't see it being significant.

[Bret]

It's significant, just not as significant as the recoil spring.

[Crawl]

Does the 75 Compact come with a 22lb spring? I assume it's the 17lb one. If so, I still don't understand WHY the recoil would feel different. Maybe I'll have to call CZC

[bonj]

Because of the hand placement I use, the grips are irrelevant to managing recoil. They certainly have a strong recoil spring, but I can't see slide weight being significantly different.

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Hello Crawl, not to change the subject matter, but I am curious as to what kind of hand placement a Full Member uses. I am in between hand grip styles for the best accuracy. My somewhat "palm grip" feels normal and the best and the Army recommended hand grip hurts my wrist. And both styles of hand grip target results have resulted in mixed results so far.

[M1A4ME]

How about the hammer spring?  It takes some force to push the slide back over the hammer and compress that hammer spring.  Lot's of people seem to like to replace the factory spring with a lightened hammer spring.

Then there's that corner at the rear/bottom of the slide.  The sharper the angle the more rearward force it takes to start cocking that hammer.  Again, some people have that corner rounded off to make racking the slide easier and/or make it easier for light recoiling ammo to move the slide to the rear.  Old 1911 thing (only with the firing pin retaining plate lower rear corner, not the slide.

Good luck with it.

[Earl Keese]

"Borderline uncontrollable"..."horrifc"...you guys are killing me! 
Maybe try a Shield 380EZ or a TX22?

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

"Borderline uncontrollable"..."horrifc"...you guys are killing me! 
Maybe try a Shield 380EZ or a TX22?

AHAHAHA!   Yeah or go run 50 rnds of full power .357 mag through an Airweight J frame then the Shadow Line will feel like an air pistol.

[Crawl]

Ah I understand now. The fact that I shot this Shadow Line Compact alongside a worn out CZ75 Compact and an S2 has no bearing on whether my perception of recoil is valid.

Appreciate the participation, but I'm problem solving here, not whining.

It's a simple question: Why does this SLC have so much more recoil than a CZ75 Compact (which is basically half the cost)?