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n-300RN

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question on the 7.62X39 carbine?????
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2005, 06:26:18 AM »
falup:

I get a bit of a chuckle when I read of guys waiting to get one of these things till the 6.8 Remington version is released {if ever}.

As you have obviously found out, the "good ole' days" are here and now.

When in the past hundred years has a deer-capable rifle been sold that shoots ammunition that is 5 to 10 times less expensive to shoot than any other deer rifle!

For decades, I was so biased against the 7.62x39 {not accurate, too weak for deer, steel cases cause malfunctions and all the rest of the nonesense spewed about the caliber over the years...} that I avoided it like a disease.

I'm glad I finally found it while it is still dirt cheap to shoot!!

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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2005, 12:41:19 PM »
i finally papered it. this thing must have been designed around the steel case wolf ammo. the hp wolf was the best group
at about 1.1" at 100yds. 78deg 10 mph wind sunny.
9x scope looking right into the eve sun. even beat the wolf effect match. per the dust cloud raised on the back stop w/ effect and hp the bullets opened up on impact.
also tried the silver and brown bear.

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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2005, 12:46:36 PM »
sierra makes bullets for the .311= 7.62 x 39 and 7.62x54
bores. the accuracy should be better than the .308 as they will engage the rifling better and maintain bore centerline

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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2005, 07:10:53 AM »
300RN:

Well, the weather's been pretty lousy here in Minnesnowta, and we hadn't been able to get out to the range for a couple of weeks.  I got a set of Millet "high" scope mounts for the CZ527, and mounted a Bushnell 1.5x-4.5x by 32mm scope.

I won't ever let anybody tell me that the 7.62x39mm round is inherently inaccurate now.  After some rough-and-ugly boresighting, we got the scope dialed in at 100 yards, and started to print groups.  My wife, a better rifle shot than I am, managed to put two consecutive 3-round, 1" groups onto the paper, with one of them having two of the holes punched almost on top of each other, and the third round just a smidgen away.  Her other best group was just a trio of hole punched right around the target's center.  Mostly she was punching 1-1/2" to 2" groups.

My best shooting was about 2" to 2-1/2" groups, I'm sorry to say.  I didn't do any better with the set trigger than with the normal trigger, which is so smooth and crisp that it's a joy to shoot.  We tried a wide variety of ammo, and didn't find any appreciable difference in either accuracy or point of impact.  Wolf 123-gr hollowpoint, Wolf 123-gr FMJ, Chinese steel-cored-copper-washed, PMC 123-gr FMJ, Federal 123-gr soft-point, it didn't really matter what we fed it, the CZ just gobbled them up and spit them out without much variation.

We shot so much that we had to stop and let the barrel cool down for a while, and we switched to a Chinese SKS.  With the lousy open sights on that rifle, I couldn't print better than an 8" group, fired from a standing position using the sling.  I hadn't bothered to remove the bayonet (the ChiCom triangle type), so it was a little muzzle-heavy.  My wife really likes shooting the SKS because the combination of weight and gas-action reduces the recoil to essentially nothing.  She shot so much with the CZ, though, that she ended up with a bruised shoulder.  We're going to buy a shoulder-strap-type recoil pad that she can use, since I don't want to add a pad to the CZ (it fits pretty well as-is, and when I hunt in the Minnesota fall, I'm usually wearing enough clothing while sitting in the stand to add some thickness there, and I don't want to push the scope too far away).

I'm just really pleased with this little carbine.  It almost looks like a miniature rifle, it's so short and light.  The Mauser-type action is smooth, and seems to be getting smoother with use.  The only quibble I've got with the rifle is the magazine's protruding from the stock, and the magazine's release button being a little hard to manipulate while pulling the magazine from it.

Do you know if anybody makes a flush-fit (even if it's only a 3-round) magazine for these?  It's about the only thing I'd change on it.  All in all, it's going to be one of my favorite short-range (less than 150 yard) shooters.

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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2005, 08:28:11 PM »
Any chance of cz offerring us board members a deal on mags and rings for these?
i'd be in for a set of rings and 3-4 mags

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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2005, 07:41:28 AM »
I have the CZ rings and they are very good but if you keep the rear sight on you are limited to 40 mm objective and about a 12 1/2 inch length scope.
The price for a extra mag is worth it in my opinion.
Have tried some Vympel (sp) hunting ammo (Russian) 123 sp, and it performed great, I got 1" to 1 1/4" 5 shot groups at 100 yards and wore out a one gallon jug at 300 yards.
When most people compare the 7.62X39 to the 30-30 win they forget that the 30-30 case is as long (almost) as a loaded 7.62X39 round.

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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2005, 06:40:20 PM »
the 30-30 is loaded to lower pressure due to it's design
and also,except in the savage 88, loaded w/ round nose bullets which lose a lot effectiveness after 150yds.. Not
to mention accuracy that wasn't there to start w/.
I would prefer a 30mm 1.5-6x scope for most actual use,
or possibly even a scout scope setup. Though this thing is accurate enough to justify a bigger scope for non moving stuff.