Brand new P-01 Finish wear on rail, plz help ??

[john seeley]

I don't have the experience like some contributors here but I bought a brand new PCR (2016) and a brand new P-01 (2020) and both had bare metal on the rails out of the box. Of course there was some polycoat marbled-in as well and it's not the same on both sides. There's STILL some polycoat on my rails in spots. Also, you may find that the barrel's finish is thin or worn at the front. Pull back the slide and look. It's from test firing at the factory.

Way back in 2016 as a new firearms owner, I had the same concerns with the barrel finish wear out of the box. But I'm not sure how much working-in they do to get the rails shiny like that or if they grind the polycoat off a bit, but it's normal. Hope it puts you at ease a bit.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

People on any brand of any item can get a bit defensive depending on the wording of the OP.

"mags load like trash"... "has me thinking twice." What does that even mean? You aren't saying what it's  actually doing for us to even help. When I read posts of this kind I automatically start thinking this person is trying to get a rise out of the members.

Interestingly discussions on all three issues the OP mentions can be found on the first page of this sub section of the forum. I think read these threads and cooked up his first post.
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=123286.0

https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=123559.0

https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=123485.0

[SAF-1]

Vast experience is what I was looking for, that’s why I came here. I tried to keep this simple because I’m writing this on my iPhone. Any now I’m getting insinuations and accusations?? What I said was the truth and my experience with this gun that I’ve only had for a week an never been fired is limited. Sorry for wasting my time and yours to get your honest opinion about the gun and not about me. Now that I’ve been a gentleman about this. Let me me release the Fireman in me out 😜

Portion of the post deleted by Moderators on 10/14

[RSR]

I don't have the experience like some contributors here but I bought a brand new PCR (2016) and a brand new P-01 (2020) and both had bare metal on the rails out of the box. Of course there was some polycoat marbled-in as well and it's not the same on both sides. There's STILL some polycoat on my rails in spots. Also, you may find that the barrel's finish is thin or worn at the front. Pull back the slide and look. It's from test firing at the factory.

Way back in 2016 as a new firearms owner, I had the same concerns with the barrel finish wear out of the box. But I'm not sure how much working-in they do to get the rails shiny like that or if they grind the polycoat off a bit, but it's normal. Hope it puts you at ease a bit.

Over a decade ago, the Firearms Blog/Andrew Tuohy then writer there now at Vuurwapen Blog did a CZ factory tour with the video now removed from YT (can still find some of the writeup on TFB), but CZ has a machine where they manually cycle the slide a few to several hundred or so times without actually firing it.  At least a couple dozen pistols all in a line on this machine if memory serves.  It's why, unlike say Sigs, there isn't a 500 round break-in period for CZs.  You get some barrel chatter and rail wear from this process on new guns, but it is what it is and saves you at least a Benjamin in ammo plus time.  CZ's are made to be tools, not safe queens.  YMMV.

[RSR]

Vast experience is what I was looking for, that’s why I came here. I tried to keep this simple because I’m writing this on my iPhone. Any now I’m getting insinuations and accusations?? What I said was the truth and my experience with this gun that I’ve only had for a week an never been fired is limited. Sorry for wasting my time and yours to get your honest opinion about the gun and not about me. Now that I’ve been a gentleman about this. Let me me release the Fireman in me out 😜

Someone wake up on the diva side of the bed? 

(Mods -- feel free to delete this when you delete this fool's post and likely ban him...  Sorry, I couldn't resist.     ).

[cracker57]

Just to clarify so I don't get flamed by anyone, I love cz's.
 with that said after getting my first CZ hand gun 75B, I found this forum and asked a simple question of "does anyone have a good load for a cz 75b I am just looking for a starting point.
 I was called lazy and to work up my own load, also told I knew nothing about guns period.
 Almost left for good...
 Just saying this forum is the only one I know of where people question your post, don't believe what one says in there post, then it leads to slamming the poster as a know nothing liar.
 If one says anything about a problem with the Perfect CZ'S they become the target.
 One thing is for sure most on this forum have drank the CZ kool-aid and one does not say anything bad about the cz.
 This is my opinion and I am sure most don't care about my opinion.
 I hope my opinion don't get me banned, this is a great forum full of great info..

[cntrydawwwg]

Hello and welcome. As others have said I’ve had zero issues with my CZ’s.
   But have had issues with other manufactures. Any manufacture can have issues including CZ. Had a new Ruger LCP for example that wouldn’t shoot more than one round. Sent it back and they fixed it. Since you have contacted CZ, I would send it back and have them look at it. It very well could be out of speck.
   In another note, you mention your dealer mentioning that there may be an issue and keep an eye on it. IMHO, that’s when I would have said thank-you. I decline the transfer. Send it back please. You as the consumer have the right to inspect and deny any firearm you order prior to transfer. [emoji6]
    Just my opinion and not trying to flame. We all make mistakes. Hindsight is always 20/20 if not better. Again I would contact CZ USA and get a return label. ANY manufacturer can and will send out a faulty product from time to time.

[john seeley]

Over a decade ago, the Firearms Blog/Andrew Tuohy then writer there now at Vuurwapen Blog did a CZ factory tour with the video now removed from YT (can still find some of the writeup on TFB), but CZ has a machine where they manually cycle the slide a few to several hundred or so times without actually firing it.  At least a couple dozen pistols all in a line on this machine if memory serves.  It's why, unlike say Sigs, there isn't a 500 round break-in period for CZs.  You get some barrel chatter and rail wear from this process on new guns, but it is what it is and saves you at least a Benjamin in ammo plus time.  CZ's are made to be tools, not safe queens.  YMMV.

Actually, I remember seeing that video. That certainly explains the barrel smiles out of the box, because I can't see how a few factory test shots could cause it. Anyway, I found a video.. not sure if it's the same video, but at the 8:10 mark, it briefly shows the machine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HYdwNtdVvU

[Whereisit]

Just to clarify so I don't get flamed by anyone, I love cz's.
 with that said after getting my first CZ hand gun 75B, I found this forum and asked a simple question of "does anyone have a good load for a cz 75b I am just looking for a starting point.
 I was called lazy and to work up my own load, also told I knew nothing about guns period.
 Almost left for good...
 Just saying this forum is the only one I know of where people question your post, don't believe what one says in there post, then it leads to slamming the poster as a know nothing liar.
 If one says anything about a problem with the Perfect CZ'S they become the target.
 One thing is for sure most on this forum have drank the CZ kool-aid and one does not say anything bad about the cz.
 This is my opinion and I am sure most don't care about my opinion.
 I hope my opinion don't get me banned, this is a great forum full of great info..

This is the only post I've seen from you that asks about loads.. Looks to me everyone was supportive and giving you help. No where in that post did they say you were lazy. If this isn't the post.. Please post the link to back up your claim.

https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=114716.0

[cntrydawwwg]

Funny how all posts can be researched. [emoji6] Seems like all involved were polite and safety orientated. [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[cracker57]

whereisit,
 I believe this is the post, I wish I could remember who it was that left the negative post saying that I was lazy and needed to do my own work. also that a cz was not just another gun, therefore I know nothing about guns.
 I know I left a reply telling them that I did know guns and that I have worked up loads all on my own but liked to ask people what they use to get a starting point, a good bullet ect. I don't believe I said it in a nice way!
 I then deleted my post thinking I had stooped to their level. Maybe that person deleted their post also. But then again if it isn't here it didn't happen......
 sorry for hijacking this thread, not my intention.
 

[Wobbly]

My gun is not an Omega, does it make a difference??

>> The non-Omega models are the original design. The P01 was designed and built to compete in a competition for European police agencies, and having a decocker as standard equipment was in the specs. Therefore the original gun was never designed to be be "either/ or".

About 7 years later, CZ introduced the "Omega trigger system" for the P07 and P09, which they added to the second generation P01. The Omega does allow selection between decocker and safety. Those selectable parts are/were included in the box with the new gun. These parts are/were changeable by the gun's owner.

The differences between the first and second generation receivers AND internal parts are significant. The Omega parts cannot be added to a non-Omega gun. If you want that choice, then you MUST buy an Omega-style gun. There is no way around that.


>> Not only is there no change option for the original model, unwary owners who disassemble the original decocker system are in for a BIG surprise because the mechanism is extraordinarily complex. Unless you are a master gun smith, hold a degree in mechanical engineering, or repair complex mechanisms (such as clocks/watches) for a living, then you will be hard pressed to re-assemble this mechanism successfully.


Hope this fully answers the questions about which model you own and the original question pertaining to the decocker. As explained earlier, the non-coated rails are a non-issue.

[RSR]

Over a decade ago, the Firearms Blog/Andrew Tuohy then writer there now at Vuurwapen Blog did a CZ factory tour with the video now removed from YT (can still find some of the writeup on TFB), but CZ has a machine where they manually cycle the slide a few to several hundred or so times without actually firing it.  At least a couple dozen pistols all in a line on this machine if memory serves.  It's why, unlike say Sigs, there isn't a 500 round break-in period for CZs.  You get some barrel chatter and rail wear from this process on new guns, but it is what it is and saves you at least a Benjamin in ammo plus time.  CZ's are made to be tools, not safe queens.  YMMV.

Actually, I remember seeing that video. That certainly explains the barrel smiles out of the box, because I can't see how a few factory test shots could cause it. Anyway, I found a video.. not sure if it's the same video, but at the 8:10 mark, it briefly shows the machine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HYdwNtdVvU

Definitely not the video, and I remembered the contraption as having more guns, but this absolutely illustrates what I was referencing in regards to why CZ pistols show "use"/wear even when new.  Thanks for locating!

[Ron IL]

My P01 omega I recently bought as used showed no wear at all like it had only been cycled a couple times and not shot.  Maybe now days when they final inspect them if they cycle smooth they go on to the packing room and if they show a little roughness they put it on the machine.  A good video.  Just after the machine part they show a tag hanging on the mirror of a car.  Reminds me of the old steering wheel knobs on the cars from the 50's and 60's.  The good old days. 

[Joe A.]

Each of my 3 CZ pistols had finish lost on both slide and frame rails when new. I accounted for the finish loss to final fitting.