Shadow trigger

[wulkyrie]

Hello new member here.
I have a couple of questions for all you guys who have shot both a Shadow and a tuned CZ 75b SA:

1. What is the out box trigger pull weight of the Shadow?
2. How much difference is there between the  trigger of a stock Shadow and a tuned (Angus or Niink) 75b SA ?

Could not decide which to get based on trigger alone (combat sight, rail,  not an issue): SA w/ trigger job or stock Shadow.

Your input is much appreciated.

[Canuck44]

The Shadow comes with a very good trigger.  I found the trigger pull heavy with the stock mainspring and have since gone to a 13# mainspring.  With the lighter spring installed the pull is just over 5#'s which meets IPSC requirement for Production Division.  With the stock mainspring the pull is just over 10#'s in D/A mode.

I can't answer the 2nd question.  Others no doubt will.

Take Care

Bob

[wulkyrie]

Canuk44,
thanks for the info. Just wondering what is the SA trigger pull w/ the factory mainspring? I assume the 5lb is a SA pull weight. TIA

[Canuck44]

With the 13# spring the D/A pull is just over 5#s with a S/A pull of around 2- 3.  I have never tested it but will next week for you.  I have a friend who is coming over and he has a trigger gauge.  With the factory spring  the S/A pull can't be much over 5#s and very crisp.   I was more concerned with reducing the D/A pull.  Some folks opt for the 15# spring which gives you a D/A pull of around 7#s.

Take Care

Bob

[wulkyrie]

Thanks for the info Bob, very much appreciate it.

[Stuart]

last time I had a shadow..DA pull was off my gauge..so over 10# and SA was about 4#-5#. letoff was good, no camming of the hammer, etc.
After trigger work..DA was 5# and SA was 1.8#

[Artist]

I've got both the Shadow and a 75B SA but both were tuned from the git-go. I would highly recommend the respring, trigger job/comp hammer on either one although only my Shadow has the comp hammer. Trigger pull in DA is good on the Shadow and SA is excellent on both. I do wonder what the 75B SA would be like with the comp hammer although it doesn't appear to need it with the sear HAGS put in it. The stated pull weights sound about right although they seem even better than that after a few thousand rounds. Don't have a trigger gauge myself so I can't say what the actual pull is on either of mine. The benefit the SA has over the shadow is lighter weight, the Shadow due to it's heaver front end falls back on target better. As for myself I really like the standard upgrades on the Shadow like the ability to add a laser/tactical light and the Competion rear sight although you mentioned they don't matter much to you. In a perfect world you would be able to try all the different options on both guns before you buy. I can say you can't go wrong with either one!

[mustang400]

I ordered a Shadow Custom from Rob last week. He ang Angus are going to put in the short [straight ] SAO trigger. According to Rob the trigger pull should be around 3#'s. Rob said the main spring doesn't come into play because they are putting in the SAO trigger.

[wulkyrie]

Thanks for the input from everybody. Much appreciated it.
Mustang, what is the anticipated turn around time for your custom Shadow?

Just wondering, if the main spring plays no part in the SAO pull weight, what can be done to reduce the SA pull  of the Shadow ? Trigger return spring?

For myself, I am a bit concerned about the weight of the SP01 or Shadow, especially if I have to shoot w/ my weak hand.
Tac light and laser (unless it is an infra-red one) work both ways: allow you to "see" the BG but he can also "see" your position. If I were a BG w/ a shotgun I will just aim where the source of the light is and shoot. As such I really do not need a rail.

[Artist]

Wulkyrie,

I'm sure you'll be fine without a rail and you are correct my Shadow with the Streamlight tactical light/laser sight is a mighty hefty gun.

As for the bad guy seeing you and shooting at the source of the light, any good tac light is so bleep bright you have no idea where the exact source is coming from. If you had doubts you could always "flash and move".

In most cases I wouldn't need either the tac light or laser sight prefering the iron sights whenever they are usable. That being said there are times a good tac light and or laser sight can give you an edge that could save your life.

[jonesturf]

I have a Shadow. I installed a comp hammer myself, pretty easy. It certainly improved SA pull but it was quite good already. I can't remember about the DA but I have a 13lb mainspring and that helped. My SA pull now is 3.0 lbs and the DA is 7.5 lbs. Feels lighter but that what my gauge says. No custom work done, just the hammer.

I have a Surefire X300 I keep on my 1911. It weighs 3.88 ozs w/ batteries. Doesn't make much of a difference when attached to the SP-01. I would keep it on that but I shoot that way too often to try and keep a light on it....maybe I should get another one.........

[wulkyrie]

Artist,
friend of mine who had been to Gunsite 3 times plus other credentials/experiences (had coffee and brownie w/ Jeff Cooper and his wife) that I cannot state here is teaching me how to shoot in the dark using muscle memory only, may be w/ the help of a fluorescent front sight. He uses IR laser sight  (w/ IR goggles also) on his long gun, but not pistol.
To each his own, you use whatever setup that is best for your needs for the situation at hand.
Thanks again for everybody's contribution

[Artist]

wulkyrie,

That is really cool and one hell of a skill to have under your belt. The light/laser has it's place but knowledge and skill are the best weapon we have at our disposal. Best of luck in your training my friend, may the force be with you.

[wulkyrie]

Thanks Artist.
Who said you cannot teach an old dog new tricks 

[Artist]

Depends on wether or not the dog in question is German like me