25 yards?

[armoredman]

A poster on another board stated he gets sub 1 inch groups at 25 yards with his CZ pistols. Lacking a Ransom Rest or simple sand bags, I am not likely to replicate this feat, , but next time I get out there, I will see how well I CAN do at 25 yards with a couple of pistols, probably P01, PCR and maybe the venerable Smith Model 10 for flavor. All will be shot standing, two hand hold.

Anyone here get 1" at 25 yards with thier CZ pistols?

[dusty10]

1" group at 25 yards standing and not leaning or resting against anything is some pretty fancy shooting boss.  Whoever can do that should think about turning pro. 

[AZ_CZ]

A poster on another board stated he gets sub 1 inch groups at 25 yards with his CZ pistols. Lacking a Ransom Rest or simple sand bags, I am not likely to replicate this feat, , but next time I get out there, I will see how well I CAN do at 25 yards with a couple of pistols, probably P01, PCR and maybe the venerable Smith Model 10 for flavor. All will be shot standing, two hand hold.

Anyone here get 1" at 25 yards with thier CZ pistols?

Only with 1 shot groups    With my 75B and PCR I can keep them in 4" and that's all I really try for. With my kadet 2" +or-. That's standing, 2 hand hold. These days it's a choice tilt head down; see target, tilt head up: see the sights.

[Road Dawg]

Anyone here get 1" at 25 yards with thier CZ pistols?

Yes, on occassion and if I'm on my game.  Although it's work with the CZs trigger mechanism, and due to its design you'll never get a glass-like trigger break no matter what you do.  I can generally put fifty rounds into two inches at twentyfive yards, with a flier or two.  Now if this cyberworthy on the other forum claims he's getting sub-moa groups on a routine basis I'd have to say I'm smelling something of a fecal nature.  Go inhabit a few rifle forums and you'll find people who claim they achieve one minute of angle with every rifle they own, with whatever old surplus ammo they happen to be shooting.  In reality I doubt most of them really know what MOA means.  My FAL is my hands-down favorite go-to rifle, but my groups tend to range in the three-inch area, and that increases once the rifle starts to heat up.  Does that mean it's worthless?  Not at all, that means it's working within its design parameters.  On those same forums I see people claiming one MOA out of their Century Arms FAL, firing Pakistani surplus ammo.  Again, I'm smellin' somethin'.

Getting back to the CZ: I can do that, but not all the time.  I participate in an informal bullseye league on Monday nights, so I'm familiar with the proccess of precision shooting and normally come in at first or second place amongst our 25-30 shooters.  My main guns for that exercise are either a Colt 1911 or an S&W Model 29 with a 6.5 inch barrel.  I can give you one-inch groups with either of those weapons all day long with their standard loads, but the CZ is more of a challenge.  I've used my Pre-B during one Monday night meet just for giggles, and managed to score a 495 out of a possible 500.  So yes, it's possible but not routinely probable.

[jameslovesjammie]

For me there are several ways to shoot a better group at 25 yardsl

1.  A proper Bullseye style target. It is very difficult for me to shoot a decent group with a "body" target.
 
2.  A 6 o'clock hold.

3.  Slow breathing and heartbeat

4.  Lock the elbows and push your shoulders as far forward as you can (the exact opposite that you are supposed to do when shooting "tactical")  Let the recoil roll you and take your time.

[armoredman]

OK, here's what we have. Two sidearms, CZ P01, with three different loads, and Smith Model 10-8 with one load. Let's get rockin'.



Well, I wanted to, but I picked a bad day to go. Sun was hidden, lower temperatures, but I found the Gnat Family reunion spot. Do you know your sight picture changes when a gnat lands on your front sight? I had to keep the camera shut down most of the time - didn't want a gnat inside the lens cover! I had forgotten how much I hate those little things.

I always post true pics/targets, so here we have some interesting groups. First, my venerable Smith 38 Spl 4", great revolver. I can definitely hit what I am aiming at this way.



What does my lifeline, my companion, my P01 do for me?



What the heck is that....same load shown here...



Different load/bullet. Different target, trying lower ink use stuff.




Not bad, I can score Expert on my Department range with it.

So what now? Have some ammo left over, let's do something ridiculous, something I haven't done in a long time. Mad Minute. OK, not really, I don't want to keep shooting for a full minute, and I don't have a soft carpet to let my ejected magazines fall on. Yes, I do try to keep them nice.
I recently applied to get my Smith on the carry roster for work, so let's practice some reloads. I haven't done the Ayoob revolver reload drill in a long time, was surprised it came back so easily. I got set up to shoot as fast as I could at a target, just for kicks.Now, this is what I was shooting at. You MAY notice something odd...



That's right, a BLUE B27. Go figure, FFL ordered them by mistake.

So fire rapid fire, reload, dump the cylinder, etc. Not nearly as impressive. So, then I dump a few mag fulls from the P01. The last shots not taped up are the 124 gr cast LRN load this little gun likes.



Not NEARLY as good, but this wasn't bullseye work!. But it was fun!

Oh, rounds fired, 88 from the P01, 70 from the Smith. No malfunctions in the P01, slow or rapid fire, cast or jacketed. Was very disappointed when the lighter hammer fall of double action on the Smith and Wesson 10-8 failed to set off some CCI primers in these older, (2007), 38 Special reloads. Need to go casting tomorrow and get a new batch worked up.

But, there you go, 25 yard workout today.

[jameslovesjammie]

Try 2.8-3.0 grains of Bullseye with a 148 grain wadcutter in that .38 special seated flush with the case with a slight roll crimp over the top.  You won't be disappointed.

[BigK]

I can generally put fifty rounds into two inches at twentyfive yards, with a flier or two.

Road Dawg, you would undeniably turn every head at the local public range I go to. That is darned impressive.

On my better days, I get 2" groups on bull at 5 yds and 4" groups on bull at 10 yds and 8" groups at 15 yds the with my P-01. That usually satisfies me and earns me a "way to go" from the RSO's and shooters near by. Then again, it's a public range and the better shooters seem to hate the range I go to, b/c it's run by the state (hunter education shooting range).

They don't even have a 25 yd target at the pistol range, but I'd be lucky to hit the 2' X 3' carboard at that distance.

[Road Dawg]

Thanks BigK.  Lest you get too impressed I will admit it's just something I have a nack for, it would be more impressive if I really had to spend time working at it.  We all have things we do well and that just happens to be one of mine, although my middle-aged eyes are making me work harder for it these days.    During our last quarterly qualification I told my Captain, "I'll bet you breakfast."  He grinned and replied, "Oh no, I'm not falling for that one!"

I was at my local indoor range last week shooting my .44 magnum with some full power loads.  After I was done I walked out into the gun store in front of the shop, and an older gentleman who had been watching through the plate glass window asked me what I'd been shooting.  After I told him he stated, "You sure were hitting what you were aiming at.  I've never seen anyone shoot that far out there."  While I thanked the old boy I had to mentally shake my head, twentyfive yards is "way out there"?  With a gun like that shooting starts at twentyfive but doesn't really get going until seventyfive or a hundred yards.  People have become so conditioned to think handguns are only for ranges of ten yards or under that they're really doing themselves a disservice but not building their skill set.

[myk3e]

Not trying to be a smart guy but that looks more like 25ft rather than 25yds












Edit for language,

[armoredman]

The blue B-27? That was at 10 yards, I moved it in for Mad Minute.  The end of the pistol bay is 25 yards, that's where I was doing the distance shooting, see the first picture. I never lie about distances, one lie and you are never believed ever again, isn't worth it.

[drnickels]

I can unload 20 rounds from my Shadow at 25 yds on a body style target and put all 20 in within the C zone on the target at rapid fire.

I can score all A's in those 20 rounds with controlled fire. I am used to run and gun style shooting, but can shoot extremely accurately when required to, but I say how realistic is shooting controlled slow shots in a real life situation? This is why I dislike Glock style matches or pistol games like that. They just aren't realistic training for me. I prefer moving and shooting from cover at multiple targets at multiple distances and with hostage targets. It's just better training for what I carry for: to defend myself.

Others share a different opinion and that's OK, but I got into pistol competitions to become a better practical situation and be sure I am proficient with my CCW gun.

[Road Dawg]

but I say how realistic is shooting controlled slow shots in a real life situation?

And I say you should add that type of shooting to your repitoire because it's one more tool in the box, and I for one believe in having a full tool box.

[armoredman]

I never try to blow smoke, that's why I posted my targets.  I am certainly no supershooter, but I know I can hit minute of felon.

[ls1man]

OK, here's what we have. Two sidearms, CZ P01, with three different loads, and Smith Model 10-8 with one load. Let's get rockin'.



Well, I wanted to, but I picked a bad day to go. Sun was hidden, lower temperatures, but I found the Gnat Family reunion spot. Do you know your sight picture changes when a gnat lands on your front sight? I had to keep the camera shut down most of the time - didn't want a gnat inside the lens cover! I had forgotten how much I hate those little things.

I always post true pics/targets, so here we have some interesting groups. First, my venerable Smith 38 Spl 4", great revolver. I can definitely hit what I am aiming at this way.



What does my lifeline, my companion, my P01 do for me?



What the heck is that....same load shown here...



Different load/bullet. Different target, trying lower ink use stuff.




Not bad, I can score Expert on my Department range with it.

So what now? Have some ammo left over, let's do something ridiculous, something I haven't done in a long time. Mad Minute. OK, not really, I don't want to keep shooting for a full minute, and I don't have a soft carpet to let my ejected magazines fall on. Yes, I do try to keep them nice.
I recently applied to get my Smith on the carry roster for work, so let's practice some reloads. I haven't done the Ayoob revolver reload drill in a long time, was surprised it came back so easily. I got set up to shoot as fast as I could at a target, just for kicks.Now, this is what I was shooting at. You MAY notice something odd...



That's right, a BLUE B27. Go figure, FFL ordered them by mistake.

So fire rapid fire, reload, dump the cylinder, etc. Not nearly as impressive. So, then I dump a few mag fulls from the P01. The last shots not taped up are the 124 gr cast LRN load this little gun likes.



Not NEARLY as good, but this wasn't bullseye work!. But it was fun!

Oh, rounds fired, 88 from the P01, 70 from the Smith. No malfunctions in the P01, slow or rapid fire, cast or jacketed. Was very disappointed when the lighter hammer fall of double action on the Smith and Wesson 10-8 failed to set off some CCI primers in these older, (2007), 38 Special reloads. Need to go casting tomorrow and get a new batch worked up.

But, there you go, 25 yard workout today.

Hi,
That is some mighty fine shooting,
As soon as I saw the first pic I was drooling.
That is the finest place to shoot I have ever seen.
That has to be the most perfect shooting range in the world.
I wish I could shoot at a place like that.
I have to drive a hour to Dallas and shoot at a indoor range.
Nothing like the fresh air open skys you have.
I envy you.
That is some of the best shooting I've seen also.
You are truly a man that has it all going your way.
Again Congrats.