CZ-82: Thank you SOG

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Saw my "gunsmith" today, and he is suitably impressed.  Nice gun, in good shape, that he would be happy to carry himself...he has been buying/flipping guns for a year, trying to find "the one."  He even likes the feel of the grips, as do I, which is weird since my hands are 2/3 the size of his.  It needs cleaning, severely, and he wants to replace the springs.  He didn't think the finish was awful at all, though it does show wear, and he thinks that a strip and blue would make for a sweet gun.

He mic-ed various parts and was very impressed, the slide is within .002 of exact, and it is one of the most consistent he's ever seen.  There were some machining marks, but nothing that bothered him significantly.  His day job is machining parts for arms, so he definitely knows what parts need to be accurate, and just how accurate they should be.

The final statement he made was that, if I want to get rid of it in the future, he wants first dibs.  That made me feel good.

I'm much happier, now.

Next step is to find some ammo, and some place to shoot.

[Cosmij82]

The final statement he made was that, if I want to get rid of it in the future, he wants first dibs.  That made me feel good.

I'm much happier, now.

Next step is to find some ammo, and some place to shoot.

If, as they say, no one forgets his first love, I'd bet you
will never get over your first gun either!

But your daydreaming days are now over and indeed,
now you have to go out and shoot, shoot, and shoot
some more!

Then tell us how the web of your shooting hand feels
like after 100 rounds, fired in one session.
.

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Oh, I forgot one detail.  He said the strike of the hammer didn't feel quite crisp enough...it was more of a dull thud.  

What is it supposed to feel like?  

He wasn't intimately familiar with this particular gun, and suggested I ask someone who actually owns one...perhaps on this forum.

[Stringfellow]

My '82 was my first pistol too.  And it was in about the same condition as yours.  A bottle of Oxpho Blue is only ~$10 from Brownell's.  This was my first try at stripping and rebluing it.  In other words, as long as it shoots good, it won't take much effort to get it all dolled up if you so choose.

[Cosmij82]

  This was my first try at stripping and rebluing it. 

Not bad for a first time blue job! In fact, it's excellent! 
.

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^^
+1

[eric0424]

The 83/83 pistols have a hammer and sprig setup a little different than what I'm accustomed to. Normally when a hammer falls is rest on the slide and/or firing pin after it hits the firing pin, but these pistols actually pull back from the slide after hitting the firing pin about 1/8".  This may be similar to the re-bounding hammer I've read about on different brand of rifle recently, but the 82 does sound a little muffled compared to my other pistols.  It shoots just fine though.  The reason the hammer moves back from the slide is so the automatic safety (#21) can block the hammer until the trigger is pulled.  All of this will make a little more sense when you get the pistol and can see how these parts interact with each other.

I wouldn't worry about it until you see how it shoots, or you could ask him to fire a few rounds through it for you.

Cabela's and Midway have Fiocchi and Sellier & Bellott in stock, Midway also has some Bear, Buffalo Bore and a few others to choose from if you want to order online.

Stringfellow, excellent work with the Oxpho Blue, I've been using it and Van's Instant Gun Blue on my TZ75 and a Marlin lever action rifle for a while now.

[Cosmij82]

Normally when a hammer falls is rest on the slide and/or firing pin after it hits the firing pin,
but these pistols actually pull back from the slide after hitting the firing pin about 1/8".  

An excellent explanation of how the hammer works on these guns.

When I first got my -82, my son commented that the hammer
doesn't seem to be hitting the firing pin as it looks like it "stops
short." I told him the hammer strikes the pin but moves back
after (though I could not explain it as clearly as you did). He still
seemed not to be convinced. So I tore off a strip of white paper,
put it between the hammer and the firing pin and pulled the trigger.
I then pulled out the strip and showed him the circular grease
mark (corresponding to the firing pin diameter) to prove that the
hammer had indeed impacted on the pin.  
.

[SMSgt]

Yep, the hammer on the -82 is a bit different. I thought something was wrong after I reassembled it. I did the paper test too and the next trip to the range confirmed it was okay.

If you hold the trigger back, you should be able to push the hammer forward against the firing pin.

A replacement recoil spring from Wolffs will include a hammer spring, the only two that get real wear.

What you need to do is pick up a box or two of Finochi or S&B ammo and put your concerns to rest. Patience, Grasshopper, all will be well!

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Namaste

[eric0424]

The recoil springs and calibration packs from Wolff come with extra power firing pin springs, you get 3 XP firing pin springs with the calibration packs.  Wolff doesn't make hammer or magazine springs for the CZ82/83 series pistols, at least not yet.  I e-mailed them a couple of months ago and they said these two springs are on their list to be considered for production.  Until Wolff starts production we can get factory hammer springs from CZ USA and maybe call to see if magazine springs are available too.

http://www.gunsprings.com/Semi-Auto%20Pistols/CZ/82%20%26%2083/cID1/mID16/dID92

It may be possible to buy the CZ75B hammer springs from Wolff and cut about .764" off them so they fit the 82/83 but I haven't tried that yet.  The dimensions below are a comparison between used factory 75B and 82 hammer springs.

CZ82: lenght - 1.708", spring OD 0.257", spring ID 0.157", wire dia. 0.050

CZ75: length - 2.472", spring OD 0.250", spring ID 0.157", wire dia. 0.045

When CZ USA gets back up I'll check their extractor spring, I think the factory spring fits both the 75/85 and 82/83 pistols.  If so the Wolff extra power extractor spring for the 75/85 pistols will also fit the 82/83 pistols.  I'll try to confirm this when CZ USA is online again.

[SMSgt]

My mistake, monster typo. I meant firing pin spring. Thanks. (Duh!)

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I've discovered that the "local" Academy Sports actually sells 9mm Makarov ammo.  Guess where I'm giong, next time I go to town.  CheaperThanDirt also carries it, but they're over 50 miles away.



And so it begins.

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And, the long awaited pictures...as you can see, the finish is rough, but the gun looks just fine.  Going shopping for ammo, today. 

[Hayfield123]

This was an interesting string to read . . . and reconfirms to me that asking (Mrs.) Santa for a CZ 82 and (son of) Santa for a set of wood grips were the right things to do!  I really love this pistol!