Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial

[Spirit 1]

"If Trayvon was an Honor Student, his records would NOT have been sealed."

Oh, hey, I think I get it now! Speaking of sealed records, maybe that's what Obama meant when he said, "...if I had a son he would be just like Trayvon..." or something like that...?

[th3ug1y0n3]

"If Trayvon was an Honor Student, his records would NOT have been sealed."

Oh, hey, I think I get it now! Speaking of sealed records, maybe that's what Obama meant when he said, "...if I had a son he would be just like Trayvon..." or something like that...?

That is a good one.

[Thor™]

If Zimmerman was following in a car as reported, and stopped as suggested by the operator, how did he come to be on the ground getting his head bashed in?

Did Martin run to his car, open the door, and drag him out?

That would be self defense. I just don't think it went down that way.

Here is your answer^^...........

There appears to be some speculation and opinion, unsupported by evidence, in your post.

[Spirit 1]

If Zimmerman was following in a car as reported, and stopped as suggested by the operator, how did he come to be on the ground getting his head bashed in?

Did Martin run to his car, open the door, and drag him out?

That would be self defense. I just don't think it went down that way.

Here is your answer^^...........

There appears to be some speculation and opinion, unsupported by evidence, in your post.

The problem remains: "That would be self defense. I just don't think it went down that way."

Where once again, "There appears to be some speculation and opinion, unsupported by evidence, in your post."

The speculation and opinion that one person 'just doesn't think it went down that way' is again unsupported by evidence, such as eyewitness testimony and injuries sustained by Zimmerman that disagree with that opinion. Offhand I don't recall any eyewitness accounts or evidence that disagrees with Zimmerman's account of what happened. The latest revelations at some pages I recently linked further supports thoughts that Zimmerman was telling the truth. The latest photographic evidence that finally surfaced, after being held back for whatever reason, supports Zimmerman's claims.

[DenStinett]

Well you know;
When given only the masterfully edited, maliciously misleading and well orchestrated ?Mainstream? Medias account of the ?NEWS? for ones only form of information, it?s not uncommon for some folks to be honestly misinformed

[Spirit 1]

Yep!

[painter]

Well you know;
When given only the masterfully edited, maliciously misleading and well orchestrated ?Mainstream? Medias account of the ?NEWS? for ones only form of information, it?s not uncommon for some folks to be honestly misinformed

...and evidence in a court of law can be manipulated too. Lot's of innocent people go to jail and guilty ones walk.

With only one side of the story available it's difficult to tell what the 'truth' is.

We'll only know what is presented to the court.

I'm going to wait for the verdict though and refrain from acquitting Mr. Zimmerman just because the mainstream media goes for the sensational rather than fact.

[motosapiens]

I'm going to wait for the verdict though and refrain from acquitting Mr. Zimmerman just because the mainstream media goes for the sensational rather than fact.

I think that is a wise course of action. I personally believe the sworn testimony and evidence at trial will be more complete, more accurate and less biased than what we have been getting in pieces from the news.

I think it is much more likely that the legal system will come to the correct conclusion than it is that us internet know-it-alls will come to the correct conclusion.

[DenStinett]

There won?t be any hidden evidence on this one
Zimmerman will get a good Attorney or Defense Team, just for the notoriety of it, and they?ll see to it that everything is on the up and up
The problem with a sensationalize trial like this one has and WILL be, there are why too many facets beyond the trial itself
The Judge, the Prosecutor(s) and Defense Attorney(s) will all be looking to make a name for themselves
This trial will become major CASE LAW, sited time and time again in the future
Whether Zimmerman is acquitted or found guilty, the family will come back and sue him for Wrongful Death and drag this on for a few more years
Even when it seems over, it won?t be

[motosapiens]

Whether Zimmerman is acquitted or found guilty, the family will come back and sue him for Wrongful Death and drag this on for a few more years
Even when it seems over, it won?t be

I don't know about florida, but some states specifically bar civil liability suits in incidents that are ruled justifiable homicide. Of course it might be different if he is charged and acquitted vs never charged in the first place. That's a good question for a real lawyer. At any rate, all that stuff is still better than being dead or suffering permanent brain damage from having one's head smashed against the sidewalk.

[Spirit 1]

Alan Dershowitz, an esteemed legal scholar, points out: the cards are stacked against GZ from the start! This is a very normal, ordinary, even frequent legal case. That media blew it all out of proportion doesn't change the fact it's a 'run of the mill' case, first dealt with in a proper 'run of the mill' fashion. Originally GZ was not charged: based upon standard police evidence gathering and upon sworn law officer testimony and declarations.

However the intent of various POLITICAL types is revealed. A 'Special Prosecutor' is ILLEGALLY appointed to commandeer the Justice System in only this one particular case! POLITICS overthrew Justice, just as it has across America.

There's absolutely no basis in existing Law to appoint a Special Prosecutor, focusing Special Prosecutorial energies AGAINST ONE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL out of the mass of humanity!

It couldn't be more clear that from the outset, George Zimmerman by name is singled out and Discriminated against compared to all other persons in the history of their local Jurisprudence. Fair, unprejudiced, 'Equal Justice Under the Law' has already been violated, as have George Zimmerman's Legal Rights. One particular individual is thrown under Special Prosecutorial forces, to act specifically against him, illegally, contrary to established Law. I believe it will require a literal 'Act of God' to insure true Justice for George Zimmerman. I also believe he already has grounds to sue them to the uttermost extent of law for their clear and obvious Discriminations and denial of his Rights to Equal Justice.

[Spirit 1]

Well, at least one encouraging sign, the Judge has refused a gag order requested by Prosecution for the GZ court proceedings. Does it sorta make one wonder just what the Prosecution - Special Prosecutor is up to when a request is made to make the whole trial a SECRET PROCEEDING?!!!!!

http://www.newsmax.com/US/NeighborhoodWatch-Media/2012/04/27/id/437310

[Twmaster]

I did not see any mention of the $204,000 GZ raised online for his defense. That was supposed to be in front of Judge Lester today at the same hearing.

[Spirit 1]

Hope that buys freedom if he's not guilty!

But a court judge and jury isn't good enough now, thanks to the media and politicians all the way from the President on down who stirred it all up:

http://www.newsmax.com/US/zimmerman-twitter-bail-death/2012/04/23/id/436783

[Twmaster]

Reading that just made me incredibly sad for our society.

A news story I read last night quoted Zimmerman's attorney as saying the defense could cost up to 1 Million dollars. That 204K is just a down payment if that's the tab.