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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #210 on: May 19, 2012, 11:25:22 PM »
Thanks, Dave, the 'Contrived justice' article really nails it down in black & white!

Interesting to see, or actually to not see, one single post anywhere I've looked that has smacked of white racism regardless of circumstances. Yes, plenty of angry black racism, after being stirred up into a frenzy by the usual cast of 'baiters'. Your mention of the forum responses here to the fiasco that has resulted are noteworthy as well. Facts is facts, whether the majority or anybody at all accepts them. The facts here are these:

Law abiding gun owners and CCW licensees are not a bunch of blood-crazed wackos just waiting for an opportunity to come out blasting in all directions, as often portrayed by lying media sources and lying anti-gunners. No, quite the contrary to that lie: they are as a whole the PRIMARY GROUP AGAINST UNLAWFUL VIOLENCE, PARTICULARLY GUN VIOLENCE!

Second, and equally important especially in today's America:

The second batch of 'fresh out of the racist oven' lies are continually disproven, where we can clearly see that this claimed white man's loathing and hatred for blacks is a lie from the pits of hell, told and retold by future residents of those same pits, the devil's own! There's no angry white man backlash, no threats, no vendettas, no get even, no white racist tirades, NO REPORTED WHITE VIOLENCE AGAINST BLACKS, no white racism public outcry, why? Because it's all a fraud, a sick twisted illusion cooked up by wicked men and women who seek to advance themselves and profit from their own racist hatred and selfish perversions!

Old racial wounds WERE healed, a common cause of American citizens of every race working together WAS progressing, the hatchet WAS buried. But that won't do for a certain crowd of demented liars who insist again and again on dragging their claws through the flesh of America to rip open old wounds, to cause pain and anguish, to draw blood and violence, to create chaos and uprisings. The simple reason for that, known by genuine Americans who care to know, is that this wicked group cannot survive without inventing an 'Oppressed peoples' group to fit in lockstep with Communist/Socialist propaganda to further their drive to overthrow America and enslave ALL of the American citizens of every race under Totalitarian Communist oppression!

That's the facts, we know it to be true. Would that the rest of America would figure it out in time and treat these traitors to a speedy trial and all that's coming to them as a result of same!

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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #211 on: May 20, 2012, 12:16:35 AM »
It's much easier to control a people if "assisting" them against a "common enemy".

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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #212 on: May 20, 2012, 12:52:55 AM »
I?ve wondered how far away from his vehicle GZ was when the ?fight? started
Who?s to say TM didn?t double back and attack him in or about his vehicle
And if it?s true the Zimerman didn?t draw his weapon until Martin made a move on it
I think that would make a big difference
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« Reply #213 on: May 20, 2012, 12:55:34 AM »
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

H. L. Mencken
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« Reply #214 on: May 20, 2012, 01:35:48 AM »
As it?s been said; "The job of Politicians and the Mainstream Media is to keep the pubic in fear"
Fear breads consumption
The more fear, the more the public will buy
Long live ?Fear and Consumption?
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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #215 on: May 20, 2012, 09:55:57 AM »
Thanks, Dave, the 'Contrived justice' article really nails it down in black & white!

Interesting to see, or actually to not see, one single post anywhere I've looked that has smacked of white racism regardless of circumstances. Yes, plenty of angry black racism, after being stirred up into a frenzy by the usual cast of 'baiters'. Your mention of the forum responses here to the fiasco that has resulted are noteworthy as well. Facts is facts, whether the majority or anybody at all accepts them. The facts here are these:


You are welcome!
In the past 48 hours, liberal law professor and legal scholar Alan Dershowitz has demolished the Zimmerman prosecution.


After writing in the New York Daily News that murder charges should be dropped against George Zimmerman in the slaying of Trayvon Martin, liberal law professor and author Alan Dershowitz appeared on Fox News to reiterate his disgust for Zimmerman?s prosecution by Florida State Attorney Angela Corey.

http://www.examiner.com/article/dershowitz-demolishes-zimmerman-prosecution


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« Reply #216 on: May 20, 2012, 02:48:40 PM »
I watched the video of the interview with Mr Dershowitz, where he proudly proclaims himself a liberal Democrat, and proceeds to show exactly how the prosecutor screwed up by the numbers. I think SOLELY BY THE EVIDENCE SHOWN IN THE MEDIA that Mr Zimmerman has an excellent chance of being exonerated...but what will happen with the assured civil rights case afterwards?

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« Reply #217 on: May 20, 2012, 04:36:50 PM »
I watched the video of the interview with Mr Dershowitz, where he proudly proclaims himself a liberal Democrat, and proceeds to show exactly how the prosecutor screwed up by the numbers. I think SOLELY BY THE EVIDENCE SHOWN IN THE MEDIA that Mr Zimmerman has an excellent chance of being exonerated...but what will happen with the assured civil rights case afterwards?
Civil rights?

I think you mean the civil suit where it's all about the money...no?
I had the right to remain silent...

but not the ability.

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Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #218 on: May 20, 2012, 05:13:10 PM »
I watched the video of the interview with Mr Dershowitz, where he proudly proclaims himself a liberal Democrat, and proceeds to show exactly how the prosecutor screwed up by the numbers. I think SOLELY BY THE EVIDENCE SHOWN IN THE MEDIA that Mr Zimmerman has an excellent chance of being exonerated...but what will happen with the assured civil rights case afterwards?

If he is exonerated there will be NO civil suit. Check Florida law. This is the main reason that so many take issue with the justifiable use of force law is the immunity from civil prosecution.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html

Have a look at 776.032

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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #219 on: May 21, 2012, 03:25:03 AM »
I would not be surprised if the US Justice Dept. tries to file some sort of 'case' against Mr. Zimmerman if he is not convicted or has charges dropped. Look at what they did after the Rodney King debacle.
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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #220 on: May 21, 2012, 10:56:07 AM »
Fed Justice will file, any effort to keep Fast and Furious out of the news by burying it with this stuff during an election year. Will it fly? Who knows, and if Florida law says no, then we run into a classic 10th Amendment standoff, could be VERY interesting!

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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #221 on: May 21, 2012, 12:42:48 PM »

Folks, I want to congratulate you all for a remarkably good discussion!
Lots of evidence here that gun people are not the boneheads that the real boneheads accuse us of being.

I think they should change the name of this forum to "Intelligent people with exotic guns"

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Standing ground against contrived injustice
 
Months have passed since the Trayvon Martin slaying but the past 48 hours have revealed stark new evidence in that case that just might have curtailed racial tension that spread from the Southeast to the Pacific Northwest had it been released earlier; evidence that may not exonerate accused murderer George Zimmerman, but at least adds a new perspective to what happened.
 
http://www.examiner.com/article/standing-ground-against-contrived-injustice

I liked the article Dave.  The one point I sort of question is:

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If that evidence convinces a jury that he acted in self-defense, then justice will have been served, whether some people accept it or otherwise.

I'm not entirely convinced that he should walk at this point.  The question that still needs to be resolved is how the conflict was initiated.  If the jury finds GZ initiated the conflict, I don't believe self defense is/should be a complete defense, in which case manslaughter charges would seem to be appropriate.  However, if they find TM initiated the conflict, based on the injuries GZ sustained, I'd tend to agree with your statement that he should walk.  In short, I don't think you can speak to which outcome is "just" until the facts are decided by the jury.

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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #222 on: May 23, 2012, 02:49:43 AM »
Range targets being sold with likeness of treyvon

Note this is a link to a news article covering the debate/controversy, not a link to go buy yourself one. I think it's kind of sick, selling them or using them.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/14/man-sells-out-of-trayvon-martin-gun-range-targets/
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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #223 on: May 23, 2012, 03:45:01 AM »
Range targets being sold with likeness of treyvon
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/05/14/man-sells-out-of-trayvon-martin-gun-range-targets/
I'm not sure how to take this
At first I thought it was a joke
Now I think the seller is just another parasite
No different than the people dealing in hate
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« Reply #224 on: May 23, 2012, 06:13:56 AM »
I saw that elsewhere. Absolutely disgusting.
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