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Offline DenStinett

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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #300 on: July 19, 2012, 06:36:00 PM »
Zimmerman interview with Hannity:
I hear that the Martins felt him apology was insincere
What was the guy suppose to do, commit Yubitsume ? ! ?
I stopped counting but I think George apologized six or eight time over the course of the interview
I do feel the ?God?s Will? part WAS a bit much
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« Reply #301 on: July 19, 2012, 11:05:35 PM »
Frankly I think GZ shot himself in the ass with that interview.

I'd bet a bag of doughnuts the prosecution uses his statements against him. His lawyer is a moron to allow that interview.
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« Reply #302 on: July 20, 2012, 01:46:11 AM »
Frankly I think GZ shot himself in the ass with that interview.

I'd bet a bag of doughnuts the prosecution uses his statements against him. His lawyer is a moron to allow that interview.

I couldn't believe it myself when I saw it! WHAT??!!! Are you guys NUTS??!!!

Where are they going to find a jury that didn't hear a word of it? I don't especially see stupidity on Zimmerman's part because he's not a lawyer and he's under tremendous strain and obviously followed the advice of his legal counsel. The lawyer himself ought to be sued though, for malpractice for allowing it!

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« Reply #303 on: July 20, 2012, 01:23:47 PM »
Where are they going to find a jury that didn't hear a word of it?
Maybe that's the plan
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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #304 on: July 28, 2012, 07:34:03 PM »
Wow. This is a disturbing idea.... Martin may have been high on a drug called 'Purple Drank'. A mixture of Skittles, Arizona Watermelon Tea and Robitussin.

http://www.topix.com/forum/state/tx/TG0F35U9S8LVLTJF5

If so this makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #305 on: July 28, 2012, 10:46:54 PM »
Heard that, also called "lean". I think the prosecutor knows she's shot in the foot, and is trying to make the media attention go "away" so it can die quietly. e'll see.

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« Reply #306 on: July 29, 2012, 05:08:03 AM »
Between the ?Face Eater? using ?Bath Salts? and TM using ?Lean?
I tell you folks, WE'RE SCREWED ! ! !
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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #307 on: July 29, 2012, 05:19:43 AM »
Yep, speaking of drugs, again...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_drank

True story, Den, and we're just now realizing how bad it is!

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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #308 on: July 31, 2012, 09:44:49 PM »
There was a comment upstream that the SYG law in Florida needs modifying. We call it the Castle Doctrine here in Fl. The way I see it Zimmerman made a mistake getting out of his car. The Castle Doctrine  covers you in your home and an occupied vehicle if being entered by a criminal with a possible threat to life or bodily harm. Had he stood his ground in his car and Martin tried to enter he could have lawfully defended himself without a CCW permit. If he has a CCW permit there are specific situations where he could use deadly force outside of his car. The Fl Castle Doctrine is a good law which does not need changing. It allows , with some restrictions to have a gun in your vehicle without a CCW permit  as long as it is in the glove box or a container that has to be opened to access the gun(not needed in your home). Fl has some liberal and very reasonable gun laws that protect our 2nd Ammendment rights. The anti's hate it but they are out numbered here. 














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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #309 on: July 31, 2012, 11:12:04 PM »
I think you raise some valid points skipper.  If nothing else, I think this case just shows how a lot of real life situations CCW holders may face are not black and white situations, but rather are shades of grey.  I don't think GZ did everything right here and I won't suggest he did just because he's a fellow CCW holder.  On the other hand, I'm not entirely convinced that he's guilty of murder and the harshest sentence the law allows.  While I think it was the wrong decision to pursue TM, it's still unclear who initiated the conflict and who escalated the conflict to a lethal or potentially lethal level.  Put another way, we know how the conflict ended, but there's conflicting evidence as to who was winning the fight, did the fight ever turn lethal, and so on.  As far as the law is concerned, GZ's guilt varies depending on if GZ both initiated the conflict and escalated the conflict (murder), if GZ initiated the conflict but TM escalated it (likely a lesser charge like manslaughter), if TM both initiated the conflict and escalated the conflict (full self defense) and so on.  We'll just have to see what the jury finds as far as facts.

My gut reaction here is that a lesser charge (some form of manslaughter) is appropriate, but we'll just have to see where the jury ends up. 

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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #310 on: August 01, 2012, 09:26:44 AM »
Bozwell, I agree with you completely. When Jackson and Sharpton got invovled along with the 24/7 news I quit watching and don't know all of the details. Unless TM was commitng a crime GZ should  have stayed in his car watched the situation and just called the police. Definitely a two sided confrontation with a bad ending and we may never know what really happened.

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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #311 on: August 30, 2012, 08:25:58 AM »
And now a second Judge has been removed from Zimmerman's case.

Judge Lester was ordered to recuse himself from this case.

On a personal note, I thought from what I read in the news Judge Lester appeared to be waaaay out of line in his demeanor towards GZ. I personally welcome this news.
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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #312 on: August 30, 2012, 10:58:40 AM »
This is not a murder case it is a witch hunt.

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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #313 on: August 30, 2012, 11:56:39 AM »
This is not a murder case it is a witch hunt.

Yeah, and they already found the witch before they started hunting!

Interesting to see who the new judge will be...?

http://www.newsmax.com/US/zimmerman-wins-new-judge/2012/08/29/id/450290

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Re: Trayvon Martin case: FL stand-your-ground law on trial
« Reply #314 on: September 12, 2012, 02:33:18 PM »
I hadn't heard that GZ is getting a new judge.  Good news.

This myth that GZ pursued TM troubles me.  Pusuit is defined as: Follow (someone or something) to catch or attack them.  AsI recall from the disparcher recording, GZ was looking to see where TM was going or what the exact building number was so he could report the information to the police.  In military jargon, he was involved in reconnaissance, not pursuit.  In fact, the overwhelming preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that TM stalked GM.  Besides, who made a rule that says one who carries must never, ever follow or appear to be following anyone?  If that rule were ever put in place one could never leave home while carrying.
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