PA background check system shutdown looms, people not happy

[Dave Workman]

PA flap could serve as warning to all gun owners
 
   The Bellevue-based Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms fired a warning shot clear across the country to Pennsylvania early Monday morning, where the State Police are planning to ? as one activist put it ? ?suspend the Second Amendment? later this month for what the agency says will be a 60-hour period to upgrade its fingerprint system.
 
http://www.examiner.com/article/pa-flap-could-serve-as-warning-to-all-gun-owners

[armoredman]

Get's your attention, doesn't it? One saving grace for CCW permits in AZ - they allow one to bypass the fed requirement for background checks. Wonder if it works that way in PA?

[Spirit 1]

I dunno, but something isn't right here, to say the least. Though I've a limited knowledge of computer programming and latest techniques I know this should be able to be accomplished overnight, at the very most, more like 8 hours at the outside! By uploading changes to media first, or a backup machine or multiple backups, then downloading changes in one shot to the full system there should be very little delay. It's not like they're on 23,000Kbps Dial-Up connections ya know!

Are the Government's Programmers totally incompetent? Not likely, as they built the whole State system in the first place.

May I ask: is it likely this would be tolerated if it was the State's Department of Motor Vehicles and Driver's License Bureau Identification System, all shut down for 2 1/2 days? How about a public banking company's Security system: would a 60 hour shutdown of all customer transactions be tolerated? Or hey, how about Wall Street Stock Exchanges? Even more appropriate a comparison: how about the entire State Law Enforcement Identification System, shut down stone cold for 2 1/2 days, is that 'tolerable' Excuseable? Reasonable?

It's very difficult to not think something else is going on here in addition to the claimed 'Upgrade' of their system.

Another very obvious question: why not give a whole bunch more lead time on the announcement, to allow all interested parties to prepare and have their decks cleared beforehand? Vendors could have scheduled their employee's/owner's days off around this. Less than 2 week's notice, are you kidding me?

With considerable advance warning this could have had very little impact on anybody at all, but instead it was also part of the plan, for all intents and purposes, to NOT give advance notice to anyone concerned.

Absolutely no doubt whatsoever that this is a totally illegal violation of the Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms, no doubt at all.

[Rock-it3]

Get's your attention, doesn't it? One saving grace for CCW permits in AZ - they allow one to bypass the fed requirement for background checks. Wonder if it works that way in PA?

No, every firearms purchaser must go through a background check every time he/she purchases a firearm, regardless of being licensed to carry.

[armoredman]

Really? They didn't take advantage of that part of the Brady Law, then. We can't purchase if NICS is down, but if we have a CCW permit, (not really required for anything else, since we have Constitutional Carry), then no phone call, no background check. Saves 15 minutes.

[Rock-it3]

Really? They didn't take advantage of that part of the Brady Law, then. We can't purchase if NICS is down, but if we have a CCW permit, (not really required for anything else, since we have Constitutional Carry), then no phone call, no background check. Saves 15 minutes.

We don't go through NICS here, only PICS (Pennsylvania Instant Check System), so we may not be able to take advantage of the Brady Law as you suggest, but I don't know for sure. There has been rumblings recently about doing away with PICS as being redundant and an expense not needed since NICS is available.

[armoredman]

Save a lot more money repealing Brady and dismantling the whole thing, fed and state, cut that money from the Justice Department and then let those LEOs go get jobs on the street where they are needed.

[Spirit 1]

Save a lot more money repealing Brady and dismantling the whole thing, fed and state, cut that money from the Justice Department and then let those LEOs go get jobs on the street where they are needed.

Please, please, STOP introducing logic and common sense into the picture, it just confuses people...

[Dave Workman]

Save a lot more money repealing Brady and dismantling the whole thing, fed and state, cut that money from the Justice Department and then let those LEOs go get jobs on the street where they are needed.

Please, please, STOP introducing logic and common sense into the picture, it just confuses people...

I quite agree!
Armoredman, whatsamadda wid you? Trying to bring rationality to this mess is, well, irrational!

 

[Spirit 1]

But seriously, sorta on the points that the A-man made: wouldn't it be interesting and an absolutely fabulous breath of fresh air to shut down cold on several quite ueseless govt. agencies for like 6 months or a year? Keep paying the hired help, but saving money because they couldn't be spending our money or mucking up the business & economy picture. What a great test of the system to close out these agencies for a period of time and SEE IF ANYBODY MISSES THEM FOR ANY REASON AT ALL?!!!?

Dept. of Energy? GREAT JOB, guys & gals, simply great. C'mon!

Dept. of Transportation? What, we STILL need help with that one? Truck, boat or airplane? Got it. Which one is the gearshift? Got it. Brakes? Okay, thanks, you can go away now, we already have a road map.

EPA? Hey, if they have made a genuine and viable contribution to conditions in America then they should have everything regulated up real nicely by now, requiring no further input on their part, right? IF, hugely large IF, they have done their job then we should not need them anymore as the 'problems' would all be solved by now, right? How's come they keep saying that 'NO, the problems are becoming WORSE!'

Dept. of Education? OMG... where's the payback on that one? Talk about major fail! Their most important task now is downgrading test requirements to make all the illiterate school students at least appear as somewhat literate. They can't spell it, but hey, they may pass with some coaching, like pre-marked x's in all the boxes, just sign your name, if you can...yes, sonny, you can just put another X there...

12 month paid furlow, lock the doors, would we miss any of them for an instant? Perchance would there be dancing and rejoicing in the streets as the economy took off like an ICBM??