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Offline 75Plus

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Improving The Kadet
« on: September 29, 2013, 03:03:17 PM »
For some time now it has been evident that assembling the barrel to the slide housing is not very consistent. Measuring the gap between the slide and the slide housing when in battery varied between .011" and .018" in the four Kadets that I have owned. See picture of the measurement on one of them.



With this condition the roll pin that secures the barrel in the slide housing is battered with every round. This leads to fractured roll pins in high round count units. Also, roll pins, being somewhat springy, could be adding to the light strike problem by absorbing some of the firing pin impact.

Three of the four units that I have owned have been modified to eliminate the gap. (I sold one before I knew of the problem.) Two of the three were modified with less precision than I am comfortable with but the results were satisfactory. Before doing the mod on my last Kadet, a full pistol, I put forth a bit of effort in developing a fixture that would guarantee positional repeatability to within .0005" (half a thousandth) The reason for this need for repeatability is that the barrel, in the fixture, must be positioned in the mill using the factory bored hole as a reference. Once this is done the gibs are locked to prevent table movement. The barrel  can now be removed so the existing hole can be plugged and readied for re-drilling. When it is returned to the fixture I KNOW it is in the EXACT location as before. Now the mill bed can be shifted the necessary amount and the new hole drilled. The final step is to machine and fit a solid retaining pin to replace the roll pin.

The pictures show the fixture, the fixture with the barrel clamped in position and the setup in the mill.









Any questions?

Joe
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Offline Joe L

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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2013, 04:24:20 PM »
75Plus--yes, I have a question...How soon can you fix mine? 

I am closing in on 25k rounds through this gun.  Still functions perfectly and is very accurate. 

I measured the clearance as shown above on mine after 300 rounds this morning at 0.012"



This gun functions very well, but there is definitely some peening at the breech face and barrel end where the two come together each time the slide cycles. 





So, what do you think? 

Joe
PS--video up in a little while on the range session this morning after installing your solid barrel pin.  I also tried 15 and 13 lb hammer springs and included in the video is a spring swap at the range. 
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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2013, 04:48:57 PM »
Joe, I sent you a PM.
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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2013, 05:44:08 PM »
75Plus,

You and I need to develop an extended Kadet FP  . . . . . .

Offline painter

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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2013, 07:04:16 PM »
I'll buy one.
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but not the ability.

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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2013, 11:07:28 PM »
75Plus,

You and I need to develop an extended Kadet FP  . . . . . .

Please, please, puleeze!!!

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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2013, 11:31:14 PM »
75Plus,

You and I need to develop an extended Kadet FP  . . . . . .

Count me in too!

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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2013, 11:06:07 AM »
I want one too ! Excellent work 75plus !

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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2013, 12:17:39 PM »
I'll take one of each!

Offline Joe L

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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2013, 01:44:22 PM »
75Plus--What effect will a mushroomed breech face and barrel end have on the optimum redrill position?  Will you have to smooth out the breech face and barrel face before you set the pin offset?   In other words, what if someone sends you one that is already had the snot beat out of it? 

Joe, the Kadet abuser
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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2013, 03:23:41 PM »
75Plus - Is this a modification you would be interested in doing for the general public......more specifically ... me? If so ... please PM me I am interested.

Thanks

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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2013, 03:37:03 PM »
75Plus--What effect will a mushroomed breech face and barrel end have on the optimum redrill position?  Will you have to smooth out the breech face and barrel face before you set the pin offset?   In other words, what if someone sends you one that is already had the snot beat out of it? 

Joe, the Kadet abuser

I would think you might touch up the end of a badly mangled chamber end of a barrel but I would hesitate to do much to the breech face as that is where the head space is established for .22 rimfires. Reducing the depth of the cavity too much, which facing off would do, could lead to slam fires. From your pictures it appears that the barrel portion needs the most attention.

Joe
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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2013, 10:30:43 PM »
75Plus,

You and I need to develop an extended Kadet FP  . . . . . .

Agreed! I'd be in for 2.

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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2013, 10:36:28 PM »
I's GET a Kadet Kit if I could just swap slides without changing the mainspring!

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Re: Improving The Kadet
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2013, 10:44:15 PM »
The barrel  can now be removed so the existing hole can be plugged and readied for re-drilling.

Any questions?

Out of curiosity, how are you plugging the original hole? A machined plug and/or weld? If it is a machined plug as it appears, do you have any concerns that it could rotate with the repeated battering it will take when the slide cycles? I presume you have thought of this and if not welded the plug is at least a press fit. Looking good and BTW I envy you having the equipment at your disposal to undertake these projects.