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Offline Kdog

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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2014, 08:22:31 AM »
Nice comparison on 2,great pistols

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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2014, 08:23:37 AM »
Thank you Kdog. I do love both those guns.

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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2017, 10:05:03 PM »
Thanks for the reviews and comments. I have been debating a lot between these two and the P01 is nonexistent where I live to handle one. So it is order on gunbroker and hope I like it so this helps a lot!

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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2017, 10:23:09 PM »
I own and have carried the G26/G19/G17 and the P-01. 

The P-01 doesn't carry as well as even the G17 IME.  It's far more pokey IWB with the hammer and levers and such.  I don't think I own a gun without parts or time in it and the P-01 is an absolute rock star to shoot after a moderate cash infusion in parts.  Everything in the original post is similar'ish for me.  Except, I removed all the P-01's internal warts and it is extremely nice and easy to shoot. 

It just doesn't carry as well as a Glock.  It physically cannot because of the beaver tail, hammer, and levers on the side.  OWB would make that fairly irrelevant. 

The other point is it took hundred(s) of dollars to actually get the P-01 to where it is a stellar pistol.  For <$50 I can do springs and a connector, and make an O/T stop in a Glock and end up with a short sub 4# pull.  It's lighter, holds more, and carries better.  It won't shoot tits off a fly like the P-01 will.  But I wouldn't have a grand in it either. 

I love shooting the P-01.  It rarely gets carried though. 

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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2017, 04:44:21 AM »
I carry my PCR (same as P-01 without rail) OWB daily,comfortably and while I have added upgrades for my own personal tastes I have no where near a grand in it. I know guys who have plenty in their glocks with upgrades like grip reductions and trigger work and all the other things that some guys have to add to those guns just so they fit their hands. That's not for me, if I have to modify a frame to make the gun feel good the gun isn't for me to start with. This all comes down to opinion and preference. I like the hammer fired DA/SA style pistols and I don't like striker fired guns like the G's.

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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2017, 06:56:23 AM »
I have a 75D PCR that I also carry.  It is totally stock, and works great for me.  I am not a polymer guy, so have never had a G19, but I do respect their following.  I would assume they are near the same in weight, although I have never done a comparison.  With the lightweight, alloy frame, I really don't need the polymer, and change in grip ergos.     

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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2017, 11:18:18 AM »
I have both also the G19 and the PO-1. I have put my kadet on the PO-1. I have turned into a fan of striker fired pistols.
The G19 has worked flawlessly for years and hundreds of rounds. I am looking forward to trying the P10c as an updated
G19 with CZ design features and characteristics.
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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2017, 12:49:37 PM »
I carry my PCR (same as P-01 without rail) OWB daily,comfortably and while I have added upgrades for my own personal tastes I have no where near a grand in it. I know guys who have plenty in their glocks with upgrades like grip reductions and trigger work and all the other things that some guys have to add to those guns just so they fit their hands. That's not for me, if I have to modify a frame to make the gun feel good the gun isn't for me to start with. This all comes down to opinion and preference. I like the hammer fired DA/SA style pistols and I don't like striker fired guns like the G's.

The gen 4 frames are essentially decent out of the box IMO.  I don't really see a need for mods. 
My P-01 was nearly $600 after shipping and transfer etc.  Do a set of night sights, and then dump the majority of the internals in favor of CGW parts so it actually has a nice trigger etc.  Set of decent grips... and you'll be around a $1k.  Out of the box stock pistols, I'll take the Glock every time.  The CZ's factory pull weight and creep and length are fairly awful.  It takes far less $ to make the Glock trigger tolerable for use too.  Now, I think you'd have to spend hundreds to not quite reach the P-01 after all the CGW parts went in it with a Glock.  But I can make it decent for $50.  It's not exactly apples to apples.   

The P-01 is 28.1oz (empty) the G17 is 25.06oz empty, 32.12oz loaded.  The G19 is 23.65oz empty, and 30.18oz loaded.  Once you load the P-01 it's just heavier and has more stuff sticking out and off of it.  I absolutely love the P-01, but when it comes to simple carry guns, especially IWB.  The Glock carries better.  Even a full size.  It's lighter, holds more, and doesn't have a beavertail stabbing into me when I'm sitting and leaning etc, or any levers on the side.  Now if it came time to actually get the gun out and use it, I have more than enough time behind a G17 to do what I need to do in a typical situation.  If I had a split second to point shoot a BG in a crowded area... the P-01 would be ideal.   

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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2017, 01:40:22 PM »
I carry my PCR (same as P-01 without rail) OWB daily,comfortably and while I have added upgrades for my own personal tastes I have no where near a grand in it. I know guys who have plenty in their glocks with upgrades like grip reductions and trigger work and all the other things that some guys have to add to those guns just so they fit their hands. That's not for me, if I have to modify a frame to make the gun feel good the gun isn't for me to start with. This all comes down to opinion and preference. I like the hammer fired DA/SA style pistols and I don't like striker fired guns like the G's.

The gen 4 frames are essentially decent out of the box IMO.  I don't really see a need for mods. 
My P-01 was nearly $600 after shipping and transfer etc.  Do a set of night sights, and then dump the majority of the internals in favor of CGW parts so it actually has a nice trigger etc.  Set of decent grips... and you'll be around a $1k.  Out of the box stock pistols, I'll take the Glock every time.  The CZ's factory pull weight and creep and length are fairly awful.  It takes far less $ to make the Glock trigger tolerable for use too.  Now, I think you'd have to spend hundreds to not quite reach the P-01 after all the CGW parts went in it with a Glock.  But I can make it decent for $50.  It's not exactly apples to apples.   

The P-01 is 28.1oz (empty) the G17 is 25.06oz empty, 32.12oz loaded.  The G19 is 23.65oz empty, and 30.18oz loaded.  Once you load the P-01 it's just heavier and has more stuff sticking out and off of it.  I absolutely love the P-01, but when it comes to simple carry guns, especially IWB.  The Glock carries better.  Even a full size.  It's lighter, holds more, and doesn't have a beavertail stabbing into me when I'm sitting and leaning etc, or any levers on the side.  Now if it came time to actually get the gun out and use it, I have more than enough time behind a G17 to do what I need to do in a typical situation.  If I had a split second to point shoot a BG in a crowded area... the P-01 would be ideal.

Without a doubt a g19 is going to be easier to carry as it's lighter. I have one myself. Right now, I'm carrying my steel framed SP-01 compact, and I'm sitting with nothing poking me anywhere. That part I don't understand, if the pistol is holstered how are you getting poked, stabbed by the beavertail, levers etc? The key to carrying a heavier gun  is a decent holster, and a belt designed for carrying pistols. A  $20 belt from wal-mart isn't going to cut it ( not ment as a dig on you) I'm using a Blade-tech nano for a P-01, and a belt made locally by  Broken J Tactical it's a 1 3/4" wide belt. With this setup I'm fine and nothing pokes or stabs me anywhere, what kind of holster/belt are you using?

As far as having to dump alot of money into these pistols to get a decent trigger I disagree. My SP-01 compact has about $77 ($87 with shipping if I remember correctly) worth of CGW parts in it, I installed a extended firing pin kit, a #13 hammer spring, and a CGW trigger return spring,and CGW's easily removable trigger pin. I actually like the recurve trigger so, it stayed.  I'm quite happy with the results, putting about 6-700 rnds through it really helped smooth it out, right now, I think it's fine as it is.  I paid $ 541.71 plus another $10 for the transfer fee, for the pistol.I plan on installing a set of Dawson sights with a fiber optic front.One other thing I did, and this is purely optional, is to get the mag bodies electroless nickel plated, they'll never rust again. I was having a problem with the spare mag I carry rusting, as they have NO protection with the shiny blued finish that comes on them, this fixes that, and I found a place about 30 miles from me that specializes in that and they did it in a week. $110 to do 4 mags, considering Robar, does it for $20 a mag, plus you have to pay shipping both ways and on their web site they tell you not to call them for at least 3 weeks after sending them in, to see where you're at. I think this was a bargin. Especially since I could drop them off, and pick them up on site.
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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2017, 06:40:03 PM »
^^^^The proper belt and holster combo is the key for sure. I have a good pancake style owb for the PCR and several very good gun belts. I had a mess of running around to do today and the PCR was on my hip for 11 very comfortable hours. I miss it when I take it off.   

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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2017, 08:34:33 PM »
Funny I have both guns in 40 ca. The P06- and the Glock 23. All 4 guns are basically the same size. For me the Glock 23 carries a little better IWB than the P06. Recoil wise the p06 has less recoil than the 23. Both are more accurate than I am and both are super reliable. If I can only choose 1 gun it would be the Glock 23 in a very close call.
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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2017, 02:23:49 AM »
What's a Kadet?

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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2017, 04:42:06 AM »
What's a Kadet?

The Kadet is a .22 rimfire conversion upper assembly and magazine.

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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2017, 06:11:31 PM »

Without a doubt a g19 is going to be easier to carry as it's lighter. I have one myself. Right now, I'm carrying my steel framed SP-01 compact, and I'm sitting with nothing poking me anywhere. That part I don't understand, if the pistol is holstered how are you getting poked, stabbed by the beavertail, levers etc? The key to carrying a heavier gun  is a decent holster, and a belt designed for carrying pistols. A  $20 belt from wal-mart isn't going to cut it ( not ment as a dig on you) I'm using a Blade-tech nano for a P-01, and a belt made locally by  Broken J Tactical it's a 1 3/4" wide belt. With this setup I'm fine and nothing pokes or stabs me anywhere, what kind of holster/belt are you using?

As far as having to dump alot of money into these pistols to get a decent trigger I disagree. My SP-01 compact has about $77 ($87 with shipping if I remember correctly) worth of CGW parts in it, I installed a extended firing pin kit, a #13 hammer spring, and a CGW trigger return spring,and CGW's easily removable trigger pin. I actually like the recurve trigger so, it stayed.  I'm quite happy with the results, putting about 6-700 rnds through it really helped smooth it out, right now, I think it's fine as it is. 

A multitude of holsters and belts.  Most are quite minimal to reduce bulk.  But the point doesn't change, if I can carry the 17 in the same manner as the P-01, and it bothers me less.  Then does it really matter what holster or belt it is, if it's the same and the full size pistol is less annoying IWB?  That was the actual point.   

The 13# trigger spring didn't even get me close to where I like a trigger.  IDK if it's the added length, but I can feel it compressing and I immediately wanted it out of the gun for something lower weight.  This is where we just disagree.  Even with the full pro-kit, I wish there was an even more extended FP so I could run the 8.5# spring and still be able to set off most anything.  I think I begrudgingly settled on the 10.  I went through it and polished, and tweaked to get everything as smooth as I could to try to get the 8 to work with more ammo.  That would have put me in a 2.XX# SA.  5.XX# DA.  And that's what I wanted.  With the other parts in the pro kit, the trigger is drastically improved, as well as some added durability added in the FP etc. 

To be clear I love the P-01 now, but out of the box - I have no idea how people tolerate the 14# DA and creepy SA with all that travel.  It's awful, the sights are equally awful.  The mechanical accuracy, recoil management, and ergo's are way up there.  But to get it to its true potential it takes a few hundred bucks IMO.  And again, if you're happy, that's fine.  On the flip side, connector, plunger spring, return spring, 2 set screws and a drill/tap.  And I have a 4# Glock trigger for <$50, with a full power striker spring.  If I swap the striker spring (included in that kit), I can go to 2-3# and still set off most stuff.  Now it would take hundreds more to even get close to a pro-kit'ed CZ.  But that was my other fundamental point.  If we are talking about the minimum to get into a carry gun with a decent trigger Glock>CZ.  If we add $300+ in toys.  CZ>Glock. 

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Re: P-01 vs. G19 size comparison
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2017, 07:48:27 PM »

Without a doubt a g19 is going to be easier to carry as it's lighter. I have one myself. Right now, I'm carrying my steel framed SP-01 compact, and I'm sitting with nothing poking me anywhere. That part I don't understand, if the pistol is holstered how are you getting poked, stabbed by the beavertail, levers etc? The key to carrying a heavier gun  is a decent holster, and a belt designed for carrying pistols. A  $20 belt from wal-mart isn't going to cut it ( not ment as a dig on you) I'm using a Blade-tech nano for a P-01, and a belt made locally by  Broken J Tactical it's a 1 3/4" wide belt. With this setup I'm fine and nothing pokes or stabs me anywhere, what kind of holster/belt are you using?

As far as having to dump alot of money into these pistols to get a decent trigger I disagree. My SP-01 compact has about $77 ($87 with shipping if I remember correctly) worth of CGW parts in it, I installed a extended firing pin kit, a #13 hammer spring, and a CGW trigger return spring,and CGW's easily removable trigger pin. I actually like the recurve trigger so, it stayed.  I'm quite happy with the results, putting about 6-700 rnds through it really helped smooth it out, right now, I think it's fine as it is. 

A multitude of holsters and belts.  Most are quite minimal to reduce bulk.  But the point doesn't change, if I can carry the 17 in the same manner as the P-01, and it bothers me less.  Then does it really matter what holster or belt it is, if it's the same and the full size pistol is less annoying IWB?  That was the actual point.   

The 13# trigger spring didn't even get me close to where I like a trigger.  IDK if it's the added length, but I can feel it compressing and I immediately wanted it out of the gun for something lower weight.  This is where we just disagree.  Even with the full pro-kit, I wish there was an even more extended FP so I could run the 8.5# spring and still be able to set off most anything.  I think I begrudgingly settled on the 10.  I went through it and polished, and tweaked to get everything as smooth as I could to try to get the 8 to work with more ammo.  That would have put me in a 2.XX# SA.  5.XX# DA.  And that's what I wanted.  With the other parts in the pro kit, the trigger is drastically improved, as well as some added durability added in the FP etc. 

To be clear I love the P-01 now, but out of the box - I have no idea how people tolerate the 14# DA and creepy SA with all that travel.  It's awful, the sights are equally awful.  The mechanical accuracy, recoil management, and ergo's are way up there.  But to get it to its true potential it takes a few hundred bucks IMO.  And again, if you're happy, that's fine.  On the flip side, connector, plunger spring, return spring, 2 set screws and a drill/tap.  And I have a 4# Glock trigger for <$50, with a full power striker spring.  If I swap the striker spring (included in that kit), I can go to 2-3# and still set off most stuff.  Now it would take hundreds more to even get close to a pro-kit'ed CZ.  But that was my other fundamental point.  If we are talking about the minimum to get into a carry gun with a decent trigger Glock>CZ.  If we add $300+ in toys.  CZ>Glock.

And all of this is just your opinion and your own personal experience. Others have different opinions and experiences and not all of us need to spend hundreds of dollars to get a decent trigger. I'll take the DA/SA style trigger any day. I practice and I'm proficient with it. I've handled many glocks including the 19 and 17 and they feel about as un-natural as can be so now there I'd be spending all that money to get a grip reduction/reconfiguration just to make the glock a decent gun for me when the CZ already fits the bill.
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