What Would You Like To See From Manticore Arms

[RSR]

I also wanted to clarify earlier remarks -- with VZ2008s you do have the value buyers but you also have folks that realize how great this weapon system is and how much it can benefit from improvements.  And the low pricepoint allows for sufficient funds to quickly implement those upgrades -- provided they are fiscally prudent (think cost-conscious, not "cheap").  It's definitely a different attitude than I see with AKs with most folks that really get to know the system, though there are some that do have the AK attitude, which only serves to limit the effectiveness of their weapon.

[CitizenPete]

Instead of a new stock if you focused on rubber buttpads, fasteners, and some injection molded casing, I'd think you'd still have a pretty hefty profit margin at just what others charge for complete stocks -- while still saving your customers 1/2 of where they'd be otherwise due to not needing to buy an separate adapter and hinge...  And if you needed to mold around folding stocks/with the stock in the mold, I certainly think a refundable "core" deposit option of an add'l $50 or so dollars would be fair too.  Stocks should fit in the $12 USPS priority long version of the medium flat rate box.

+10  (added bold)

A nice molded glass impregnated nylon or polymer pistol grip similar (read "exactly") like the CSA or FAB imported grips would be great.  I'm really not feeling the Ronin I bought for 922R compliance, might try a Houge Hack Job.

[Cheapo]

Instead of a new stock if you focused on rubber buttpads, fasteners, and some injection molded casing, I'd think you'd still have a pretty hefty profit margin at just what others charge for complete stocks -- while still saving your customers 1/2 of where they'd be otherwise due to not needing to buy an separate adapter and hinge...  And if you needed to mold around folding stocks/with the stock in the mold, I certainly think a refundable "core" deposit option of an add'l $50 or so dollars would be fair too.  Stocks should fit in the $12 USPS priority long version of the medium flat rate box.

+10  (added bold)

A nice molded glass impregnated nylon or polymer pistol grip similar (read "exactly") like the CSA or FAB imported grips would be great.  I'm really not feeling the Ronin I bought for 922R compliance, might try a Houge Hack Job.

LOVE how my Houge hack job turned out. Totally worth it.

[RSR]

The hogue grip sleeve on a ronin grip looks pretty ideal...  Just ordered one today actually.  (These pics are the mako grip however.)





http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=69119.msg480327

Thanks.   The grip is a HOGUE HANDALL?FULL SIZE GRIP SLEEVE.

[CitizenPete]

Instead of a new stock if you focused on rubber buttpads, fasteners, and some injection molded casing, I'd think you'd still have a pretty hefty profit margin at just what others charge for complete stocks -- while still saving your customers 1/2 of where they'd be otherwise due to not needing to buy an separate adapter and hinge...  And if you needed to mold around folding stocks/with the stock in the mold, I certainly think a refundable "core" deposit option of an add'l $50 or so dollars would be fair too.  Stocks should fit in the $12 USPS priority long version of the medium flat rate box.

+10  (added bold)

A nice molded glass impregnated nylon or polymer pistol grip similar (read "exactly") like the CSA or FAB imported grips would be great.  I'm really not feeling the Ronin I bought for 922R compliance, might try a Houge Hack Job.

LOVE how my Houge hack job turned out. Totally worth it.

Well! 

I will probably need to start hacking on a Houge grip -- as I have them on at least 3 AK variants in the collection.  I tried to put a sleeve in the Ronin and ended up ordering (or receiving) the wrong one so it was too big -- so I put it on a G17.  Does anyone know the part number for the Houge sleeve?

[RSR]

It looks like Black Zuma might have put it on upside down from the pics.  Ordered one of the Handall Full Size grip sleeves over the weekend to try out, so can't say.  Hogue also makes a tactical grip sleeve (looks like for AR) that might work if the Handall doesn't.

[CitizenPete]

It looks like Black Zuma might have put it on upside down from the pics.  Ordered one of the Handall Full Size grip sleeves over the weekend to try out, so can't say.  Hogue also makes a tactical grip sleeve (looks like for AR) that might work if the Handall doesn't.

I PMed Black Zuma and he has the same Houge sleeve as I ordered, but mine it too large on the Ronin grip.  I never tried to put it on upside down.
Maybe that's how he got it on without slop left in the back.  I'm gonna pry it off the G17 and try putting on the Ronin pistol grip upside down to see how it fits. 

BTW I use copious amounts of hand sanitizer as lubricant in the process which just evaporates away -- learned that trick from putting a rubber lined insulating sleeve over a camelback hose which is impossible dry.

[RSR]

Once I get them I'll try both the mako I have and the ronin.  Am getting both the full size and the jr actually.  Don't have either the small or the large tactical though which would be the other options there.

[CitizenPete]

Once I get them I'll try both the mako I have and the ronin.  Am getting both the full size and the jr actually.  Don't have either the small or the large tactical though which would be the other options there.

Thanks. I'm not loving the Ronin feel -- thats why I was trying the Houge grip cover. which is kinda stupid for me I guess, because the Ronin grip base is more beefy than the FAB and thats one thing I don't like about it.

IMO The FAB grip (and the CSA copy) is FABulous (in my hand), as is the Houge -  they got that grip right.  They rightly include storage capability for batteries etc. in the grip as well. The Israelis appear to understand the correlation between ergonomics and function better than anyone else. 

My driving issue is 922R for the SBR, so FAB and CSA are out.

I can see a "home-made Hoagie handle hack job" in my future if I cant cover the Ronin and get it feeling natural.  Ronin also sells a long handle old school vz58 grip I saw, which is certainly a step better than an AK paint brush handle, but just better.

Manticore - are you listening?  Injection molding outsource...

[gdogs]

Hey Sven, awesome that you are looking into the VZ platform.  First thing I'd love to see from Manticore is your Nightbrake.  I've got one on my M92 and it can't be beat.  I have to agree with an earlier poster about an AR grip adapter rather than a whole grip.  I'll be modding an ACE AK grip adapter in the next few weeks, but I think there would be a market for a VZ specific adapter. 

[Manticore_Arms]

Other than possibly some NightBrakes and Eclipse flash hiders, all the VZ-58 projects are on hold for right now.  Just too much going on to tackle them at the moment.  Sorry guys, I hate to disappoint, but would rather be honest than dance around the issue.   

Sven
Manticore Arms

[MariusVZ]

That is too bad but thanks for your honesty.  Still waiting for a mold-over solution to the folding steel butt stock.  (Don't abandon that, it's a REALLY good idea!)

Please let us know when the Night Brakes become available. If they're competitively priced I'd like to pick one up and see how it performs against my current Slovak-style brake and share the results.

[supernachos]

Other than possibly some NightBrakes and Eclipse flash hiders, all the VZ-58 projects are on hold for right now.  Just too much going on to tackle them at the moment.  Sorry guys, I hate to disappoint, but would rather be honest than dance around the issue.   

Sven
Manticore Arms

( sigh...sadness in the world  today...) 

[jimdigriz]

Other than possibly some NightBrakes and Eclipse flash hiders, all the VZ-58 projects are on hold for right now. 

These muzzle devices are what I'd most like to see. The existing options for the VZ are all sub-par in comparison to these. Put me down for one Nightbrake and one Eclipse.
 

[Mikes250r]

Top rail cover then Quad rail.