Project poor mans open P09

[Jamiethesquid]

I have a plastic welder that has some ABS rods. That may be a good starting point. Thanks for the info.


Jamie

[eyetat]

I have all the pieces together and just have to start shooting the p07 in idpa and put a poor mans race gun to gather. And have fun.

[ThompsonCustom]

I'd love to know how that comp works with major power factor loads.

+1

I also wish someone made a threaded .40 cal barrel for the P09.  And 170mm mag extensions.  At 140mm with CZCustom guts, you're at 24 9mm or 21 .40.  170mm should net 29 rounds, same as the 170mm Tactical Sport mags with CZCustom guts.

I dont plan to shoot USPSA, at least not now, so Im not sure I will be shooting major loads but who knows what I will come up with while Im doing development.  Planned to shoot some tomorrow but forecast is for 100% chance of rain.    I will follow up with whatever I come up with as soon as I can.

I don't shoot uspsa either was just curious how the comp would handle major loads.

For it to make major its just weight x speed% 1000 = above 165

So a 124gr bullet has to be moving about 1350fps

[Joe L]

One thing (and only one thing) bugs me about the P-09 and that is the shape of the grip.  The sides feel flat and thin to me, so I've fattened them up with JB-Weld on the first one and with Sugru on the second one.  This makes a big difference in how people with large hands and long fingers can become comfortable with the gun. 

I started out with just grip tape, then tennis racket tape, but those just made the blocky grip larger.  The JB-Weld or Sugru allows me to add material on the sides, to ovalize the shape, without adding any front and back. 

You guys are on the right track.  Very interesting modifications to a great handgun.

Joe

[dave33]

One thing (and only one thing) bugs me about the P-09 and that is the shape of the grip.  The sides feel flat and thin to me, so I've fattened them up with JB-Weld on the first one and with Sugru on the second one.  This makes a big difference in how people with large hands and long fingers can become comfortable with the gun. 

I started out with just grip tape, then tennis racket tape, but those just made the blocky grip larger.  The JB-Weld or Sugru allows me to add material on the sides, to ovalize the shape, without adding any front and back. 

You guys are on the right track.  Very interesting modifications to a great handgun.

Joe

Joe, I'm right there with you regarding the grip, it would be better for me with if it was a bit fatter. I've got a couple packs of the sugru waiting for me to finish up comp testing before I apply it.  To me about the best feeling grip out there is a double stack 1911/2011, just the perfect fit for my hands. I'm hoping I can get that same feeling with the sugru.

[Joe L]

I used 4 packs on my open sight gun last night, trying to build up the grip thickness and "ovalize" the feel a little. 

I gotta try a double stack 1911 some time.  I've never held one.  Single stack is too narrow for me without fat aftermarket grips. 

Joe

[M1A4ME]

Double stack 1911s.

My P14 feels different in my hands.  I notice its not my Colt, but I don't have a "rejection reaction".  I just notice it and it feels odd/different.

Now, about 2 or 3 years ago I ran across a set of finger groove rubber grips for my P14.  They were in a $5 bargain box at a local gun store so I bought them and put them on the P14.  They are the only set of finger groove grips (I'm talking going back over 30 years on 1911s, and S&W revolvers and more recently a 3rd Gen. Glock) that actually feel good in my hands.

Now, the question.  If you had a set of grips like that (wrap around, finger groove, sort of a soft rubber feel to them) could you "glue" them to a P09 frame?  Use something inside the grips to fill in the gap, push them onto the P09 from the front so as to squeeze the excess out around the grips/P09 frame (might need to do is slow enough to scrape some of the excess off before it gets somewhere you don't want it) and then let it set up. 

In effect, gluing a set of aftermarket grips over the frame.  Is that legal for what you guys are trying to do?  Has anyone tried to do it?

Oh, I'm fine with a P09.  Anything that shoots like it does is A-Okay with me.

[romukom]

I don't own an 1911 but I have a hogue grip as you describe in my 22/45.  IMO I would too thick.  I don't know if you have seen my post about modifying the P09 grip.  That way you will have a true custom grip that fit your hand
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=75460.0

[dave33]

I don't own an 1911 but I have a hogue grip as you describe in my 22/45.  IMO I would too thick.  I don't know if you have seen my post about modifying the P09 grip.  That way you will have a true custom grip that fit your hand
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=75460.0

Your sugru thread is what inspired me to get some to try out.  Had my wife pick me up a couple packs from the target store.  I sent her a link to what I wanted but didnt tell her what it was or why I wanted it.  She got home, brought it up to my reloading room with a puzzled look on her face and then I explained what I was going to do with it.  She just rolled her eyes and laughed.  Poor thing is such a good sport dealing with all my crazy gun stuff.

[romukom]

She is a keeper !

[Jonesn]

OK thats sharp as a bleep SAMURAU!!! I want to do the poor man Open P09 to my P09!

[Winkel]

I would like to hear more about those safeties.

Using a soldering iron, I just kept melting little dabs of ABS plastic onto the factory safety to build it up little by little (I squished the first layer of dabs into the factory polymer to get a good bond going), and then I spent time shaping it with the iron. Once I got the overall shape and size where I wanted it, I used some small needle files to finish shaping it and to cut the serration grooves into the top. Then I used various grits of sand paper to smooth it out. It took me about an hour and a half for each side. 

Very well done sir!

[Styer]

Ive got everything but the comp and the sight base to put one of these together. Though I was thinking about selling my threaded P09 barrel since I moved my suppressor to an AR9 build

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[Joe L]

I got my poor man's bullseye P09 out today and shot it for the first time in months.  Still as good as it was during the 2014 bullseye match season, which was excellent.  Here is a 25 yard group from a two handed grip on a rest.  Dang gun is phenomenal, mechanically.  I also shot my Sugru open sighted gun today, it's pretty good too. 



I can live with this.  I shot several groups under 1.5", best was 7/8"

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Joe

[dave33]

Ran through some rounds yesterday in my search for the best load for my needs.  This thing just keeps amazing me.  Accuracy is excellent, didnt improve upon the last loads but didnt get worse either, very consistent.  Shot my first major PF loads, though not many and on the lower side of major.  Not too bad or harsh, muzzle flip not too bad, more of a little harder hit in the hand.  Not sure where I will end up but if I had to guess at this point I will probably go with the lighter weight bullets as they have almost no recoil or dot movement at all.  If they wont hold the accuracy at 50yds will probably go with something in the 145 power factor range with a 124gr Precision Delta JHP, those have always been very accurate for me.  Still have some testing to do, this sure is fun.