Project poor mans open P09

[Scarlett Pistol]

Following to see how that SJC comp works. And because this is really interesting!

[Jamiethesquid]

Dave 33, you say that you are using a 12 pound Spring. Where did you source that tuner pack of springs.

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[Raining_Brass]

If we made a major comp, would people want steel or aluminum? We have a couple guys with 30K+ rounds on our aluminum stealth comps with zero erosion issues. So just not sure the insane amount of weight from a steel major comp would be worth it to you guys. Steel would be CONSIDERABLY more expensive to make.

[dave33]

Dave 33, you say that you are using a 12 pound Spring. Where did you source that tuner pack of springs.

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Cajun gun works, its on the last page of the 75 series parts, $30 for 5 different spring weights.  I really like the color coding to tell them apart.

[Jamiethesquid]

I had bought the recoil calibration pack of CZ 75 springs from wolf a couple years ago, believe it covers this range of spring weights. I will have to check tonight.

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[dave33]

If we made a major comp, would people want steel or aluminum? We have a couple guys with 30K+ rounds on our aluminum stealth comps with zero erosion issues. So just not sure the insane amount of weight from a steel major comp would be worth it to you guys. Steel would be CONSIDERABLY more expensive to make.

That's a good question.  Part of what makes a real open gun shoot flat/soft is the weight of an all steel gun.  Many glock open shooters add a frame weight to make the gun heavier and help soak up some muzzle flip so a steel comp would be more appealing to that train of thought if you plan to cross sell to other brands.  That being said, if the bulk of buyers are looking more for a range toy they may not want to spend the money for the more expensive steel. 

I would love a more specifically designed comp for major loads in steel to try out but I don't know that I would buy one based solely on the hope I like it better if its way more $$ than an AL comp, after all we are talking about dressing up a $500 gun that I'm sure was never intended to be used this way.  A significant amount of weight up front may throw off the balance of the gun as well since the rest of the gun is so light.

Now if you want to build a couple prototypes I would be happy to try them out for you as I have quite a bit of seat time on a P-09 in major 9.

[Raining_Brass]

If we made a major comp, would people want steel or aluminum? We have a couple guys with 30K+ rounds on our aluminum stealth comps with zero erosion issues. So just not sure the insane amount of weight from a steel major comp would be worth it to you guys. Steel would be CONSIDERABLY more expensive to make.

That's a good question.  Part of what makes a real open gun shoot flat/soft is the weight of an all steel gun.  Many glock open shooters add a frame weight to make the gun heavier and help soak up some muzzle flip so a steel comp would be more appealing to that train of thought if you plan to cross sell to other brands.  That being said, if the bulk of buyers are looking more for a range toy they may not want to spend the money for the more expensive steel. 

I would love a more specifically designed comp for major loads in steel to try out but I don't know that I would buy one based solely on the hope I like it better if its way more $$ than an AL comp, after all we are talking about dressing up a $500 gun that I'm sure was never intended to be used this way.  A significant amount of weight up front may throw off the balance of the gun as well since the rest of the gun is so light.

Now if you want to build a couple prototypes I would be happy to try them out for you as I have quite a bit of seat time on a P-09 in major 9.

Nah this is going to be a strait production run if/when we do it. With the software we use to design our comps, we already know they work before they're even made.

[Jamiethesquid]

All of the options available currently that aren't for a 2011 are Aluminum. So let's go with that. If I want more weight I will add it to the frame. Just my 2 cents.

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[Raining_Brass]

How about this. We make it from 7075 with hard anodize like we currently make our Stealth Comps. You manage to shoot the comp out, which I doubt anyone ever will - and the new one is on us. Just send the old one back.

[Jamiethesquid]

Sounds perfect. The SJC comp I have on the way is Aluminum, as are all the Springer, Carver, etc comps.

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[Jamiethesquid]

I think the comps are really a consumable for most open shooters, At $110 for the SJC, if it lasts me 20k rounds. That works out to like a $.005 per shot. That is a mere fraction of a fraction of what I invest in shooting. Personally I love the Design of the Primary Machine Stealth Comp and will probably buy one for my P-07 shooting Minor loads in the future. For a Major P-09 Stealth Comp, I would easily be willing to pay Double the Minor comp price.

As we have discussed in this thread and many others. (Brazos Custom) has a great article on his site about load development to run a compensators efficiently. What I (and any other Open Major USPSA/IPSC) am trying to accomplish is to Push a minor caliber at Major velocities, safely, without damaging our guns, and with a minimum of muzzle flip so the dot tracks consistently and we can shoot the gun as fast as possible. While getting the extra points for Major Power Factor.

I have shot more than a few open guns and when the load is properly developed for that gun and Compensator. The dot will track very consistently, and the gun will recoil much more linearly.

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[Jamiethesquid]

https://youtu.be/4ZLTLEGkLYE

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[dave33]

How about this. We make it from 7075 with hard anodize like we currently make our Stealth Comps. You manage to shoot the comp out, which I doubt anyone ever will - and the new one is on us. Just send the old one back.

I don't think longevity is in question for AL comps, just the designs and weight.  If you guys will make a Major comp for the P-09 I will not only buy one, I will send my slide in for lightening cuts and optic milling as well.  And if you can make this happen before spring next year that will be even better.

That is unless I come across a steal on a Czechmate in the mean time, but what are the chances of that.  Who am I kidding, I would still keep the P-09 as a backup so put me down for the whole package.

[Jamiethesquid]

I would be down for a comp, lightening cuts/cocking Serrations, one of your "coming soon" flat triggers and probably have 6-7 mags nitrided, and slide refinished.

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[Jamiethesquid]

Also going to thread the barrel on my 1 St gen P-07 duty with factory extended barrel, have you guys cut the slide for front cocking Serrations, add a stealth comp for my SD loads and mill the slide for an RMR or first gen Delta Point

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