Why is it that I am always the bad guy for asking questions?
I don't like the term
bad guy and don't think that, so I'll characterize it as
running into trouble or
getting push-back. You DON'T always run into trouble for asking questions. You run into trouble sometimes for scattering questions in such an unfocused, tangential fashion that it's hard to keep track of what you're actually looking for, and you get into trouble for asking questions that you've seemingly already determined the answers to, then arguing with the responses or being otherwise uncooperative with the guidance you're getting from people who are trying to help you in good faith.
And then there's the last page of this thread, which is something a little different, and it reveals itself here:
I now have three military grade poly pistols that were built around the Nato ammo. They are all heavily sprung from the factory.
Two of these guns are CZ. A P-09 and a P-07, they are rated at 20lbs factory. Same spring in both, with the shorter gun preloaded even more than the other.
Proper spring options are few, with CGW offering a 18 lb and a 15 lb. I run one of each, and although the guns will function with low powered ammo, say 115 at 1050fps or about 120PF, function is marginal and they will dump brass on your feet. 125PF seems to work well enough for ringing steel, although ejection pattern is about two feet.
The Canik is also heavy, but I have no measure. It is a Walther knockoff. I have found no(zero) spring options here. It will choke on 120PF, with 125PF working, but ? and 130PF rocking it pretty well.
^^^^^^^THESE TWO THINGS IN BLUE^^^^^^THIS is the problem. The last page of this thread has been in response to your floating the unwise idea of pushing a 124gr JHP to 1200 feet/sec with HP-38, well outside any published load data. You know enough to identify this as unwise yourself. BUT when asked why you would want to, you went down that well-beaten path of how your guns
need "full-powered" ammo because they came factory-sprung so heavily that anything other doesn't run them properly. Then you reveal these two tidbits of information below, represented in your quote from above in blue.
- You ultimately DID take the advice to re-spring your CZ poly pistols, and they do NOT need "full-powered" ammo to function properly. They are no longer heavily sprung from the factory. They actually function even at sub-minor power factors, but don't throw brass the way they should at sub-minor, and at the minor PF floor of 125, they throw cases a couple of feet, so presumably at a reasonable minor PF of 130, they're throwing brass satisfactorily. AND...
- Your Canik, which was sprung the heaviest of the three to begin with, and which you did NOT re-spring, which is STILL factory sprung, is rocking 130PF ammo pretty well.
Basically, we devoted a page of this thread to discussing your desire for a 124gr bullet doing 1200 feet/sec in terms of your needing "full-powered" ammo for reliable function. But you don't. The truth is that these pistols in question function fine with 130 PF 9mm minor loads. Full-powered? 130PF is lighter than what I shoot Steel Challenge with. You've been conducting an academic exercise on why someone
might want a 124gr bullet doing 1200 feet/sec under the guise of your needing it. And THAT makes the last page of this thread more or less pointless. You have a forum mod advising you on how to get your pistol re-sprung to address a problem you don't actually have. And you wonder why you get in trouble for asking questions.
