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Offline MGSchindel

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #210 on: November 19, 2016, 10:53:47 PM »
My TS safeties will be here Monday, can't wait to put one of those on the SP Compact.

The 75C on the right will be one of my new EDC's.  The grips on it, from the Czech Republic, are very slim, and comfortable against the skin, but they do have a pattern carved into them that provides enough grip for anything but wet hands. They are pretty narrow front to back, as far as panels go, making the whole butt stock feel nice and small, and I much prefer them to the LOK and CZ USA grip panels I've tried on it. Feels vintage and old skool, just how I like it. So I decided quality leather was in order, rather than kydex.  I have a High Noon Slide Guard OWB and a UBG Striker IWB on the way for the little 75C....Can't wait to figure out its favorite JHP accuracy load tomorrow morning, then get the holsters sorted and broken in when they arrive, and get this puppy into the carry rotation....!!!

I'll report back what loads the SP Compact preferred, as well.  Both guns have the exact same mods and  upgrade parts, same internal polishing, same exact spring values, and roughly the same trigger pull weights, so it will be interesting to shoot both of these side by side using the same ammo, and see what the recoil and patterning differences are, if any, with the extra ounces on the front of the SP Compact.....Both guns still have the factory 17lb flat recoil spring, but on a steel guide rod, and I will also be experimenting with recoil spring values to determine what shoots flattest for me, with each gun.
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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #211 on: November 20, 2016, 02:25:45 PM »
Just got back from the range. The results from these Compacts were predictable CZ excellence, especially with the upgrades on the guns. Top notch performance, and I am thrilled with both purchases, as usual.

I didn't perceive any difference in recoil between the CZ75C and the SP Compact.  I did notice that with the 17 lb spring, I could see the front sight of the SP Compact more quickly for slightly faster follow-up shots, probably due to the slight extra weight bias from the SP Compact's forward-heavy railed frame.  With the 20 lb recoil spring, that difference went away mostly.  I found that both guns functioned flawlessly with a wide range of standard and +p ammo, with just the stock 17 lb flat recoil spring on stainless guide rods.  Hotter +p ammo did not batter the guns, and a heavier recoil spring was not necessary. I had 100% feed, function, and consistent, strong, flawless ejection about 5 to 7 feet away, depending on the load.

Both guns' sights are set up for center hold, rather than 6 o'clock hold or frame hold, which only took a moment to get used to, and the sights were perfectly centered.  Both guns will consistently fire a six-shot 1" hole at 15 yards, and a nice 1.25" pattern at 20 yards, slow-fire, when I do my part. These are extremely accurate CZ's, equal to a full sized CZ, and no upgraded barrel bushing is necessary.   

I could also consistently dump 10 rounds in about 5 seconds into a 1.5" to 2" ragged pattern at 15 yards, with little effort, using just the stock sights.  Recoil is minimal with factory fmj loads, and very manageable with +p hollow points. Both guns performed every bit as well as my full-sized CZ's, and are much faster to clear a holster with.

Both Compacts preferred lighter, faster rounds, and also preferred hotter loads.  They performed equally well with economical Fiocchi 115gr fmj, Winchester White Box 115r fmj, and CCI Blazer brass 115gr fmj, shooting them like some finely tuned full-sized target guns will.  And both guns' accuracy load for self-defense purposes was the Speer Gold Dot 115 gr hollow point, with Fiocchi's 115 grain extrema Hornady XTP load a close second.   

Neither gun particularly liked S&B 124 grain fmj, American Eagle 124 gr fmj, or Fiocchi 147 gr hollow points.  It seems the rifling and twist rate of the shorter CZ barrels want a lighter, faster round in order to spin up and stabilize things, if I had to speculate. Groups weren't bad, they just weren't as consistent or tight as with the several 115 grain loads I tried.     

Below is typical of what the SP Compact produced at 15 yards, dumping 10 rounds of 115 grain fmj at a pretty good pace using the stock 17lb recoil spring.  The range I was at wouldn't tolerate super-fast double and triples so I will test that at the Sportsman's club next week.





The CZ75C produces similar groups, and this is typical of what it produced at 20 yards at a medium pace. What a joy to shoot! 



To put things into perspective here, after nearly 400 rounds downrange, not a single misfeed, double feed, misfire, fte, light strike, etc.  The magazines work perfectly. And the average groups these pistols delivered inside 20 yards all morning, with just about all ammo tried, will fit inside their trigger guard!!!  I honestly don't shoot much differently with my costly, tricked-out custom Shadows, at these close self-defense distances. And I doubt I'll be shooting my compacts much out past 25 yards LOL!

I can't recommend these Compacts highly enough, if you are comfortable carrying a steel-frame pistol. I also highly recommend the 13 lb hammer spring, an extended firing pin, and if you have the means, and the skill to install it, a race hammer and disconnect.  The double action is totally use-able now, and the single action is perfect to keep you from pulling fliers, without being too light. Reset is short, consistent, predictable and crisp. There is no need to buy a costly custom compact. With a little motivation, a willingness to dabble in some DIY, and a little extra cash for the excellent aftermarket parts now available, you can produce your own Custom Compact for about half the price of what the custom builders are charging.

The only thing I need to do now is install and test the TS safety on the SP Compact, because I found the ultra-slim safety that came on it was nearly useless today, for my purposes.

And then I think I'll sell my blocky, clumsy, sloppy, cheap-feeling, annoying 2015 Glock 26, which took me weeks to sort out, and required several different pricey aftermarket and upgrade parts, just so it would stop flinging burning-hot brass directly into my face at 90mph for three out of every 10 rounds.  In short, I hate it, and will be glad to see it go. This has been true of most (several) Glocks I've purchased after 2011, right up through 2016, and I am through with buying any more new Glocks, because they are no longer machined with the correct slide tolerances that they once were, no longer have quality internals, have terrible resale value, and have been just loaded with unpleasant issues. This is the total opposite of my older Gen2 and early Gen3 Glocks, all of which I still have and treasure like my CZ's. I'm no Glock hater, I love all guns, but it is long overdue time to call it like it is nowadays....How would you rather spend YOUR $550 -$650? On a gun that is now deliberately made cheaper than what you pay for it, and is a high risk of performing poorly right out of the box, or on a gun that is far better made than the money you spent on it, and performs beyond your expectations?  For the same price....

CZ's, unlike Glock and Sig, just keep getting better and better, offering more and more great new models as well.  I'm gonna go clean these puppies, and celebrate the huge win they represent.

And many thanks to Scarlett, whose diligent posts tipped me off to the existence of the SP Compact!!!! 
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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #212 on: November 20, 2016, 03:28:21 PM »
And many thanks to Scarlett, whose diligent posts tipped me off to the existence of the SP Compact!!!!

Great review and write up! It's nice to hear from shooters who can get more out of the accuracy potential than I can, just to hear what these are capable of. Glad I could of helped out a little and thanks for all you're input!
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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #213 on: November 20, 2016, 03:30:52 PM »
Dang good shooting MGSchindel!
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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #214 on: November 20, 2016, 06:37:53 PM »
Thanks, Guys.  The indoor range is limiting.  I'll know a lot more when I run these Compacts through some steel challenge, and through some speed drills, later this week.

I shoot with some pretty hardcore guys.  I tested out and proofed EIGHT pistols today, some guns that were newer to me (the compact CZ's, a Jericho 941/Baby Eagle/CZ Clone), but mostly problematic Glocks that I have had to put lots of mods, smithing and parts into, just to get or keep running correctly.....It took the whole morning and an awful lot of rounds....hundreds, in fact....and left me with a heck of a cleanup job!  O0  Strip, clean, re-lube, soak and scrub the barrels in Hoppes 9, re-lube with synthetic grease, and reassemble....took a while...





The surprise of the morning was this Glock 34 Gen4 that was initially shooting 4" left, 3" low, wouldn't feed more than three rounds in a row without a stovepipe, wouldn't eject unless it was into my eyes or forehead, had regular light strikes, and was turning horrible groups.  After totally gutting it and replacing every spring, every single internal part with tool steel parts, changing the ejector, replacing and custom-cutting the extractor, changing the extractor plunger assembly, modifying the extractor channel in the slide, modifying the slide lock, changing and modifying the recoil assembly, replacing all the trigger parts and modifying and polishing them, re-cutting the crown on the barrel, etc etc etc....It is now a tack driver, and turned in the sickest group of the day at 15 yards slow-fire, 8 rounds into under 3/4"....Granted it has a pretty long sight radius. But it is FINALLY running flawlessly. What a misery and countless hours to get it there!!!!!!!!!!! Took nearly a year of experimenting and tweaking, on and off...I initially bought it last year to shoot in local competition, thinking I could just leave it stock and have an easy competition gun ready to run right out of the box, how WRONG I was!! Never got to use it once.  Now I view it as a total paperweight, a curiosity piece.  I'll NEVER trust it, even though it is now running like a top and is vicious accurate. Who knows for how long, though....



Why do I digress and mention all this? I've nearly thrown this G34 in the lake and left it there, a few times over the last year, but it has finally paid off. And like I said, I'll never again buy a new Glock LOL!! Ever. SOOOOOO out of spec and horribly made, ALL the new ones I've bought:  a G31sf that was un-repairable - so out of spec if could not feed from its own magazines; the above totally-whack G34; a G17TB and G19TB I bought to use with my suppressors, that both had tons of fte, ejection problems, and most of the brass to my face; and a G26 with a host of similar issues to the G34 - ftf, fte, brass to the face, a broken firing pin tip, light strikes, fliers, ungh!!!!!!!!! Frankly, with all the frustrations, you couldn't GIVE me a new production Glock at this point. I consider them to be at the bottom rung, whereas my old Glocks were somewhere at the top of the "reliability and function food chain".  Thousands of folks are being told they must be using bad ammo, or are limp-wristing, or don't know how to operate the gun....every excuse in the book...or they don't shoot their gun often enough or well enough to know that it isn't even running correctly, and worse yet, most users just accept the brass to their faces, the jams, the sad extraction, the poor accuracy, point of aim not being point of impact, on and on, as a new way of life for Glock. Why accept ANY of that?  Because the guns are plastic, and are "only" $500-$600, so it is deemed acceptable?? 

But CZ products on the other hand?  These Compacts are just another awesome example of buying a brand new production CZ, sight-unseen, over the internet no less (!), throwing on a few simple upgrades in less than 1/2 hour just to personalize things, and getting flawless performance, right from the go, at incredibly reasonable prices!!!!!!!! No headaches, total reliability, excellent accuracy...Just buy it and shoot it. I've NEVER had a CZ with an out-of-spec slide, breech face, or extractor cut.  I can't accurately estimate anymore the many thousands of trouble-free rounds I've put through my CZ's over the last 25 years. I NEVER hesitate to buy a CZ product, and will never do so unless I see things take a very wrong direction, which is highly unlikely...CZ's products and production have just been so consistent, for decades, unlike any other gun maker I can think of, most of whom have REALLY gone downhill in the last five to ten years.....using cheaper and cheaper metal and fabrication processes, using toolings and equipment way too long for way too many units until the result no longer functions as it should.... 

If you're on the fence about a CZ compact, especially the super-cool limited-production SP Compact, don't hesitate to buy one!!!  I shoot and carry lots of different guns, but my new SP Compact is now serving as a HD gun with a tac light on it, starting tonight, as a backup to my suppressed Sig.  And my CZ75C will be my new EDC as soon as my holsters get here. WIN WIN WIN. CZ's were the first guns I ever bought and will be the last guns I ever sell.




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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #215 on: November 22, 2016, 02:50:57 AM »
I picked up my CZ SP01 from the transferring dealer today. I was happy to see rubber magazine base pads. The PCR I purchased a while back did not have these. Given I paid about the same amount, this was pleasant surprise.

Then I put the pull gauge on the trigger to see what I was getting from the factory. The double action was above 12 lbs and the single action averaged 6 lb 3 oz.



Now she's about to get some Cajun guts and we'll see how that trigger comes down.
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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #216 on: November 22, 2016, 09:37:02 AM »


I picked up my CZ SP01 from the transferring dealer today. I was happy to see rubber magazine base pads. The PCR I purchased a while back did not have these. Given I paid about the same amount, this was pleasant surprise.

Now she's about to get some Cajun guts and we'll see how that trigger comes down.


Dang, she's getting loaded!

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #217 on: November 22, 2016, 10:18:27 AM »
That's the way to do it   O0  Is there a type 2 disco in the mix?

It's nice to see the CZ 85 style trigger in there!   I still don't know how some of you guys are shooting fast with those danged factory "recurve" triggers!  From a draw, I can't get proper leverage for an accurate, clean DA first pull.  And I can't be nearly as accurate with them at speed in SA for follow-up shots. Worse yet, they pinch the heck out of my finger in rapid-fire, getting a tiny bit of my fingerpad skin caught behind the trigger and pinching it against the grip frame. People think they are experiencing "trigger slap", but its actually a pinch in most cases!

Once you try an 85 or 97 style trigger, I'll bet ya won't look back.  And once the lighter mainspring is in place, the slightly longer DA reach really isn't an issue like it can be with a heavy mainspring.  A CZ85 or 97 style trigger is mandatory for me and is one of my favorite mods to any CZ not already equipped with one.   On a carry piece or race gun, I don't even feel like I have proper control of the gun until the right trigger for me is in place.   
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« Reply #218 on: November 22, 2016, 10:34:07 AM »
That's the way to do it   O0  Is there a type 2 disco in the mix?

It's nice to see the CZ 85 style trigger in there!   I still don't know how some of you guys are shooting fast with those danged factory "recurve" triggers!  From a draw, I can't get proper leverage for an accurate, clean DA first pull.  And I can't be nearly as accurate with them at speed in SA for follow-up shots. Worse yet, they pinch the heck out of my finger in rapid-fire, getting a tiny bit of my fingerpad skin caught behind the trigger and pinching it against the grip frame. People think they are experiencing "trigger slap", but its actually a pinch in most cases!

Once you try an 85 or 97 style trigger, I'll bet ya won't look back.  And once the lighter mainspring is in place, the slightly longer DA reach really isn't an issue like it can be with a heavy mainspring.  A CZ85 or 97 style trigger is mandatory for me and is one of my favorite mods to any CZ not already equipped with one.   On a carry piece or race gun, I don't even feel like I have proper control of the gun until the right trigger for me is in place.   

I had a disconnector, but for the life of me I can't find it. I usually lose a lifter spring or detent spring now and again but this is a first. All I can guess is that I sent it back to Cajun or my 17 mo. old son got ahold of it and he "organized" it somewhere like a shoe. Oh well, another order to the Cajun.
Yes, I replace all my triggers now with the old 85 or 97 style. To be honest, I don't like the stop screw on a defense gun and the 97 trigger fits the bill. I might also put the SP-01 slide release on here too. I have a couple spares and it feels good right now.
Now to make the decision to wait for another disconnector or put it back with the stock one and shoot it and retrofit later.

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #219 on: November 22, 2016, 10:43:21 AM »
I picked up my CZ SP01 from the transferring dealer today. I was happy to see rubber magazine base pads. The PCR I purchased a while back did not have these. Given I paid about the same amount, this was pleasant surprise.

Then I put the pull gauge on the trigger to see what I was getting from the factory. The double action was above 12 lbs and the single action averaged 6 lb 3 oz.



Now she's about to get some Cajun guts and we'll see how that trigger comes down.


Very nice batch of parts. I'm very interested in the TruGlo sights. They were on my bucket list of improvements but I decided they might be to big fot the gun. Please post pics after you get them installed. Thanks, Jim

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« Reply #220 on: November 22, 2016, 11:15:16 AM »
 
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To be honest, I don't like the stop screw on a defense gun and the 97 trigger fits the bill.
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That's exactly why I put a 97 trigger on my carry and home defense guns. Of course, with the 85 trigger, you can always just leave the overtravel grub screw out.  That's how some of the CZ Custom guys tell me they run theirs.    They don't want the over-travel screw coming loose in a competition or a defensive situation and either trashing their sear or even totally blocking them from firing the gun, so they just take out the grub screw. I actually like the extra leverage and trigger control that the slightly thicker 97 trigger provides.  Most folks don't know that on most CZ 75B's from about 1994 through the early 2000's (until they switched to the dreaded recurve trigger somewhere around 2004), the CZ75B's and CZ 97B's ALL used to come with the same CZ 97 contour trigger! 

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« Reply #221 on: November 22, 2016, 12:37:40 PM »

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Very nice batch of parts. I'm very interested in the TruGlo sights. They were on my bucket list of improvements but I decided they might be to big fot the gun. Please post pics after you get them installed. Thanks, Jim





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« Reply #222 on: November 22, 2016, 03:47:47 PM »

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Very nice batch of parts. I'm very interested in the TruGlo sights. They were on my bucket list of improvements but I decided they might be to big fot the gun. Please post pics after you get them installed. Thanks, Jim





Very nice. Thanks for the pics that helps a lot. Jim

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #223 on: November 23, 2016, 05:08:50 PM »
I just 'visited' mine at my FFL and grabbed the paperwork to start the ridiculous NY process of actually being able to take the gun home. I had to give up the mags (giving to a LEO in my local shooting club) so have 10 rounders on order already. Hope to get it all in by the time I can take the gun home. Very excited!

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Re: A rare batch of SP-01 Compacts available
« Reply #224 on: November 23, 2016, 10:47:11 PM »
I just 'visited' mine at my FFL and grabbed the paperwork to start the ridiculous NY process of actually being able to take the gun home. I had to give up the mags (giving to a LEO in my local shooting club) so have 10 rounders on order already. Hope to get it all in by the time I can take the gun home. Very excited!

Ugh that sounds like a rotten process...
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