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Offline flattusmaximus78

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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ coming
« Reply #105 on: November 24, 2016, 03:04:03 PM »
Doesn't bother me about the frame rails, looks like a ridiculously soft shooter.

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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ coming
« Reply #106 on: November 24, 2016, 03:08:55 PM »
It is weird that they didn't do the slide in frame.  Everything has to be better....trigger, reset, grips, etc for this to have any success in the crowded field.


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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ coming
« Reply #107 on: November 24, 2016, 03:47:37 PM »
It looks like P-10 NOT slide in frame?
So, not the lowered bore axis CZ pistols are famous for.
Is this perhaps because of the striker mechanism?
Disappointing...

It looks slide in frame to me?

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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ coming
« Reply #108 on: November 24, 2016, 03:55:48 PM »
It looks like P-10 NOT slide in frame?
So, not the lowered bore axis CZ pistols are famous for.
Is this perhaps because of the striker mechanism?
Disappointing...



CZ bore axis thing is a myth. It's pretty similar to a Sig or 1911 and many striker fired pistols have a lower bore axis. There is some merit to having less reciprocating mass, but I'm not worried about the P-10 recoil.

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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ coming
« Reply #109 on: November 24, 2016, 05:23:33 PM »
Definitely not a slide in the frame. The pictures show it clearly, and that is why the slide serration look bigger than a P-07.

\If CZ wasn't interested in the American market yet, would they have invited American journalists/testers to shoot in the Czech Republic?

I like the report on MAC, but don't know about a slide outside the frame gun (from CZ). CZ-UB could save engineering time copying the basics from Glock and others. My SP2022 twangs when the trigger is pulled. My XDM 4.5 45 auto does not.

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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ coming
« Reply #110 on: November 24, 2016, 06:03:04 PM »
Meh.

Maybe a stiff triggered sriker less than 20oz weight  for the pocket similar to my Nano, else I'll stay with hammer fired handguns!

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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ coming
« Reply #111 on: November 24, 2016, 06:37:16 PM »
I'm thinking my Steyr L9A1 has it beat..........for now.


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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ, It's here! The CZ10
« Reply #112 on: November 24, 2016, 08:44:17 PM »
Even without the slide in frame, it looked like it had a real low bore axis, thanks to the high grip.
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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ, It's here! The CZ10
« Reply #113 on: November 24, 2016, 08:55:51 PM »
I just did a few stop and plays of the video, and it just might be slide in frame.
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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ, It's here! The CZ10
« Reply #114 on: November 24, 2016, 09:01:41 PM »
I've been seriously considering a Steyr. P10 definitely gets a hard look first. Looking forward to holding one.

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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ, It's here! The CZ10
« Reply #115 on: November 24, 2016, 09:02:05 PM »
I just did a few stop and plays of the video, and it just might be slide in frame.


Definitely not!

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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ, It's here! The CZ10
« Reply #116 on: November 24, 2016, 09:05:05 PM »
Maybe my inner metal DA/SA nerd is coming out but this doesn't impress me. Looks like any other striker fired pistol out there. Might as well replace CZ with Glock.  Not hating on it, as I am a CZ fangirl . ?  This just isn't in my future. 

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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ, It's here! The CZ10
« Reply #117 on: November 24, 2016, 09:07:33 PM »
And you are right LittleJenny. Definetly not.
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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ, It's here! The CZ10
« Reply #118 on: November 24, 2016, 09:34:38 PM »
Lots of folks don't like the short slide depth of the 75B, P-09, P-07 which results from slide in frame.  Maybe CZ went to slide over frame to give a little more grip area like the other makers have?  Obviously doesn't matter to me but it is a big deal to some people.  I'm thinking the bore axis height can be the same with either rail design.  The MAC video shooters exhibited very little rise and very short time back on target.  There doesn't appear to be any problem with the bore axis to me, regardless of the actual dimensions. 

I don't see anything but a well engineered striker fired gun from a company with a history of designing excellent firearms.  Can't wait to shoot one.  I don't think anyone around my neck of the woods has won a local bullseye match with a striker fired gun yet.  Maybe this one is the one?  May be a while before we know for sure.   

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Re: Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ, It's here! The CZ10
« Reply #119 on: November 24, 2016, 09:51:40 PM »
Lots of folks don't like the short slide depth of the 75B, P-09, P-07 which results from slide in frame.  Maybe CZ went to slide over frame to give a little more grip area like the other makers have?  Obviously doesn't matter to me but it is a big deal to some people.  I'm thinking the bore axis height can be the same with either rail design.  The MAC video shooters exhibited very little rise and very short time back on target.  There doesn't appear to be any problem with the bore axis to me, regardless of the actual dimensions. 

I don't see anything but a well engineered striker fired gun from a company with a history of designing excellent firearms.  Can't wait to shoot one.  I don't think anyone around my neck of the woods has won a local bullseye match with a striker fired gun yet.  Maybe this one is the one?  May be a while before we know for sure.   

Joe
What strikes me as odd is the parts on the table in the screenshot I posted earlier.



I've got a few different striker fired designs, and that doesn't look like any of them. Probably has something to do with the crisp trigger and short reset that they talked about in the video. Looks like it will also be receptive to a nice polish job! If you create a reliable striker fired pistol with a crisp trigger, you're going to win over a lot of shooters.

As much as I love my CZ's, all of my defensive pistols have a single consistent trigger pull and no manual safety. That's just my personal preference, but it's a preference that is shared by quite a few people. Not a bad market to get in considering the success others have had with designs that leave much to be desired in terms of ergonomics and reliability. Hopefully CZ can raise the bar with this pistol, but we'll have to wait and see.

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