Military Arms Channel...new Polymer CZ, It's here! The CZ10

[RSR]

When the acquisition folks specify striker fired to basically hand the contract to glock, CZ can't compete...  It makes sense for them to have a striker offering in that event, though do think they'd be better set to go w/ a DAK trigger.

[KnightSchneider]

regarding police / .mil contracts

I would LOVE to carry a P09 as my duty gun.

CZ can't compete with the other big dogs for tail end support.  That is where they are losing the war.  Glock/ S&W/ Sig offer FAR more support to an LE department.  I have my Glock reps phone number in my phone; if I have an issue with a personally owned Glock, I can call him at 2200 hours on a Sunday, get a hold of him, and he will likely have parts in the mail first thing Monday morning - no questions asked.  It took me the better part of 3 weeks to get a hold of the CZ LE rep - that was sending several emails, and leaving several messages.

If I am at a department, and we have issue with our service weapons, that is unacceptable.

Glock, S&W, and Sig will come to us, and train as many armorers as we want for free.  We would have to send our guys, on our dime, to Kansas City, which very much limits how many factory armorers we could have.

I do hope the CZ LE program gets up to speed, and can start competing with the other guys, but for now, I don't see them getting much market share.  I can have all the personal love for CZ in the world, but there is no way to convince an administrator it is the right choice for the department, when I don't even believe they can offer acceptable tail end support.

[Scarlett Pistol]

regarding police / .mil contracts

I would LOVE to carry a P09 as my duty gun.

CZ can't compete with the other big dogs for tail end support.  That is where they are losing the war.  Glock/ S&W/ Sig offer FAR more support to an LE department.  I have my Glock reps phone number in my phone; if I have an issue with a personally owned Glock, I can call him at 2200 hours on a Sunday, get a hold of him, and he will likely have parts in the mail first thing Monday morning - no questions asked.  It took me the better part of 3 weeks to get a hold of the CZ LE rep - that was sending several emails, and leaving several messages.

If I am at a department, and we have issue with our service weapons, that is unacceptable.

Glock, S&W, and Sig will come to us, and train as many armorers as we want for free.  We would have to send our guys, on our dime, to Kansas City, which very much limits how many factory armorers we could have.

I do hope the CZ LE program gets up to speed, and can start competing with the other guys, but for now, I don't see them getting much market share.  I can have all the personal love for CZ in the world, but there is no way to convince an administrator it is the right choice for the department, when I don't even believe they can offer acceptable tail end support.

CZ's civilian support is so good, that's too bad to hear. Did you try sharing this with anyone higher up at CZ? I'm sure there is some executive there that would appreciate knowing how they're falling short against their competitors.

[Jca1386]

This is good news for CZ if it comes out as well received as the 07 is now.  In my humble, repeat humble opinion it's going to have to do as good of a job as the glock 19 does in all the same categories to outpace them. If it's similarly priced, but as others have said if the mags are $40ish dollars its going to steer a lot of folks away. 

Full disclosure: I was a glock 19 guy for YEARS, only after the state of CT limited us to 10 rounds did I explore another weapon that has the same characteristics of the glock 19 but with reliable 10 round magazines.  Needless to say the 07 in 9mm has filled that role for me thus far.  A striker fired version of the weapon may have me abandon the 19's altogether and go for 2 identical versions of the new CZ especially if there is magazine compatibility!

[Grendel]

CZ can't compete with the other big dogs for tail end support.  That is where they are losing the war.  Glock/ S&W/ Sig offer FAR more support to an LE department.  I have my Glock reps phone number in my phone; if I have an issue with a personally owned Glock, I can call him at 2200 hours on a Sunday, get a hold of him, and he will likely have parts in the mail first thing Monday morning - no questions asked.  It took me the better part of 3 weeks to get a hold of the CZ LE rep - that was sending several emails, and leaving several messages.

I have emphasized this point over and over again in my conversations with the LE sales director, and to be fair, he gets it. Unfortunately, CZ-USA as a company, do not.

[Psyop96]

Hopefully, they'll change their tune and are able to devote resources once they have a competitive striker-fired option available for this segment of the market. Good comment about the pricing of the magazine that should be same for P-07/09 series.

[RSR]

For LE use, are you able to buy/use Mecgar mags or are you required to use OE for insurance, etc, reasons?  Don't have a P09 or P07, but pretty sure I've seen Mecgar mags for them, and OEM manufacturer but not OE...

Also for instance, glock OE mags are cheap, but Sig OE mags are expensive...  Both have cheaper reliable alternatives ETS/Magpul and Mecgar...  Does mag price actually factor significantly into LE purchase decisions?

[KnightSchneider]

I have been able to use Mec Gar sig mags for duty use without issue - they make the Sig factory mags, so that made it an easy sale.  There is not really any liability from using an aftermarket magazine, other than if it doesn't work, and causes somebody to get hurt or killed that shouldn't have, so I would not carry anything of questionable origin.

Mec-Gar does not offer a magazine for the P07/P09 yet...I'm sure they are working down their no compete clause of their contract with CZ

[FlatFootedNinja]

Striker fired CZ. P10, I think they call it. But I dont know anything in particular about it.

Stuart (and then everyone after that) was right!

Pulled the photo from CZ-USA's official instagram page with the following caption:

Here's a teaser of the next big thing to come from #CZ -- the P-10. Fully ambi controls, superior ergonomics and the same magazine family as the P-07/P-09. Keep an eye out for a full reveal on Thanksgiving Day from @militaryarms on YouTube!

Definitely think it's a good thing that it uses the same mags as the P-07/P-09.

[Cyanide]

I'm just wondering how long it is going to take for CZ to have enough production stock to actually have it available for us to buy. I want it!!!

[Firemanjones]

I wonder, in the picture above, does the C stand for compact?

[FlatFootedNinja]

I wonder, in the picture above, does the C stand for compact?

I was wondering/assuming that as well; are we going to see a line of full size, compact, sub-compact? Curious if they'll have all of those now or just the C for now with intentions of making the FS and sub-compact in the future. I'm curious to see how many similarities it will share with the P-07

[Earl Keese]

Do my eyes deceive me or is that polymer palm swell that I see? Say it ain't so!

[Scarlett Pistol]

Do my eyes deceive me or is that polymer palm swell that I see? Say it ain't so!

That's exactly what I think I am seeing too! The mags are 14 rounds in the pic so I assume it's the compact version in the pic... Hope it's here sooner than  2 years in the future.

[Jca1386]

Let's hope they offer some sight options or we'll all be waiting years for fiber optics and night sights like when the 07 hit the market.....

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