A slightly "compact" version of the PCR

[CZ Aficionado]

Interesting concepts......though, I've had a RAMI and currently have a PCR, there isn't a great deal of difference in totality......I know the RAMI is in the Subcompact group, a slimmed down...single stack RAMI would be a game changer. I believe the RAMI is slightly wider than the PCR as they sit now.  Both still fine firearms in there own right.  Double stacks are nice but sometimes a true slimmed down carry single stack would be nice.

[Struckat]

I conceal my 75 compct in shorts and a t shirt and don't think a shorter grip is needed. Maybe look into weather or not your holster is the issue.

[sigken]

I conceal my 75 compct in shorts and a t shirt and don't think a shorter grip is needed. Maybe look into weather or not your holster is the issue.

Hi I am using the Lighttuck from Vedder (all kydex). I can conceal the Springfield XDS (4.0" height) with no print at all. So I was saying if the current 5" grip can be reduced to 4.5", that would be awesome for me. I have no problem with the width (after switching to VZ grips) at all.

. Reason being huge liability if I had to use it. I don't know what lawyers/prosecutors would come up with to make me look bad in front of the jury for using a modified gun to shoot somebody. Of course this is just hypothetically speaking but who knows.

There have been a total of zero prosecutions for modified guns or hand loaded ammunition in the US.  As far as civil suits you are just as likely to be sued carrying a stock firearm.  Burden of proof would be on the person suing you.  Can figure shooting that is justified will still cost you $10'000 for defending yourself either way.

Numbers from predominant attorney here that does a LOT of gun related things.

From what I understand and I could be wrong, when you have some insurance, the other party could sue you not because you were guilty (let say you were not), but if they made it sound like it was an accident under pressure due to light trigger pull (or whatever) fron the XYZ modifications, they might very well have a good CIVIL case and your insurance would likely to settle out of court. I think this is very likely to happen. They are not after you, but the money.

I would love to hear from an attorney on here if he's willing to chime in though.

[Scarlett Pistol]

From what I understand and I could be wrong, when you have some insurance, the other party could sue you not because you were guilty (let say you were not), but if they made it sound like it was an accident under pressure due to light trigger pull (or whatever) fron the XYZ modifications, they might very well have a good CIVIL case and your insurance would likely to settle out of court. I think this is very likely to happen. They are not after you, but the money.

I would love to hear from an attorney on here if he's willing to chime in though.

I would too because this argument would have to be applied to the individual, not a sample or study. Some people train with light triggers and thereby wouldn't be susceptible to an AD if they used a pistol with a light trigger in a self defense scenario. There would have to be some sort of real evidence against the exact person for that argument to work. Like they went to an IDPA match once a month and were DQ'd every other month for an AD.... That's my line of thought at least.

[mig1nc]

Since it has been mentioned here, why is the RAMI fatter than the PCR?

Could you put thin grips on a PCR and do a grip chop to accept RAMI mags?

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[Pilot1]

Since it has been mentioned here, why is the RAMI fatter than the PCR?

I think the opposite is true.  I have not bought a RAMI because it is not much smaller than my PCR which is about the best all around 9MM I've ever owned.