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Offline SteelHorseCowboy

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Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« on: February 05, 2017, 07:15:01 PM »
I put this little gem on layaway yesterday. All I really knew about it is, CZ has some nice firearms that folks love, this scope is kinda legendary, and it's the same caliber as my AK, 7.62X39.
I don't really wanna beat brush in the Louisiana bayous with a 30 round AK mag sticking out, and I'd love to get back into hunting.

This beauty was screaming "BUY ME! BUY ME NOW!". So I did the next best thing my pocket book would allow by doing the layaway.

Anyway. Can't wait to pick it up and shoot it.
But, does anyone know where I can find a new rear sight and front sight hood? I do intend to use the scope, but I can't stand to see parts missing from one of my rifles. I'm a Marine Rifleman vet, and I'm kinda anal about my boomsticks. I've looked around. Found a rear sight priced in Euros on some site, no luck on the hood.



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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2017, 07:32:07 PM »
http://shop.cz-usa.com/SearchByKeyword?word=rear%20sight%20527

http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/5110011101_Front-Sight-Hood-452527550

Both available from CZ USA in Kansas City, fairly inexpensive too.  I assume those different rear sight blades vary in height, so you might have to call to see which one is the best fit for the 7.62x39 carbine.  I like that scope too, but from what I see in the photo it & the rear sight blade may not be able to coexist on the rifle, don't think the sight blade will fit under the objective as it's currently mounted.  Worth a try though, & at least you'd have the blade on hand should you ever want to use the irons. 

Have that gun myself, hope you like yours as much as I like mine!

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2017, 09:45:21 PM »
I had to have a gunsmith install a customized Marbles folding adjustable rear sight to get my scope bell to clear, best move I ever made. I don't think anyone makes them specifically for the CZ rifles, unfortunately. The hood should be available at CZ-USA.

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2017, 11:12:02 PM »
Thank y'all! No idea why I couldn't get that in a google search.

As far as it clearing the scope bell, whoever mounted it apparently has a cheek weld much further forward than I do. When I throw it to my natural cheek weld, I can't see JACK through it, have to choke up to the receiver, feeling like I'm stretching my neck like a giraffe. So the scope is gonna have to come to the rear a bit. It may clear the rear sight once I do that. If it doesn't then I'll be checking into a folding sight like armoredman's talking about.

I'm sure I'm going to love it, it suits my needs pretty perfectly. Compact size, lightweight, shoots the same ammo I already stock.

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2017, 12:04:14 AM »
Happy to help! 

Looks like you'll be in good shape once you move the scope back to your liking. 

Notice that a LOT on used rifles already paired with a scope at one of the local fun stores; find myself wondering how the heck the old owner could crawl his/her cheek far enough up the stock to see through it.  Reckon most of them were never shot much away from the bench & bags.

Then again, I ain't got much neck  :)

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2017, 08:32:18 AM »
I think a lot of folks just don't know how to do half the stuff they THINK they can. Mounting a scope seems simple enough, right? But one thing I noticed right away...



The rings are tightened down all the way on one side, and as tight as the previous owner could manage on the other. Then it looks as if the scope's position was adjusted while the rings were too tight, scarring up the finish on the tube.

I worry there could be some damage to the scope other than the finish. I'll know when I remount it and try to zero it.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2017, 12:10:22 PM by SteelHorseCowboy »

Offline Netpackrat

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2017, 05:55:45 AM »
It's usually a bad idea to post a clear picture of your gun's serial number to the Internet.

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2017, 11:11:00 AM »
It's usually a bad idea to post a clear picture of your gun's serial number to the Internet.
Yeah, that's what folks say. The highly subjective key word there is "usually". I wouldn't do it without thinking twice about it. In this particular instance with this particular firearm, there are numerous reasons I'm not the least bit concerned about it.

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2017, 02:16:15 PM »
Just picked it up! Not going to mess with the scope just yet, the screw heads are buggered pretty bad. I can restore screw heads, but these are worse than the picture implies.




I may have some extra screws in my electronics parts buckets that'll fit.

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2017, 07:59:53 AM »
pm me your address and I will send you the hood I took off mine.
I didn't like the hood on with my scope.

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2017, 09:41:38 AM »
pm me your address and I will send you the hood I took off mine.
I didn't like the hood on with my scope.
Sure thing, thanks a ton!

I did manage to find some screws in my can o' screws that are a perfect fit for the scope rings and pulled the scope back just a tad when I replaced them. I think I have just enough clearance to install a rear sight now, so I'll be getting one of those ordered soon. They're star key screws. I keep a screw driver set in my range bags and it has a tip of the right size.

I'm having a mag issue. Very, very hard to seat the rounds to the rear of the mag. Ridiculously difficult. I can load three rounds on average, sometimes 4 if I'm lucky, managed to load 5 a few times. It does make a big difference between using the lacquer coated steel cased ammo and the brass cased stuff. The brass loads a bit easier, but I still had a lot of trouble loading 5. Ended up just sticking with 4 rounds in the mag.
But something that seems strange to me about it is, when cycling the bolt, the front of the rounds try to jump up when I pull the bolt rearward, which doesn't allow the bolt to catch the next round. I had to make a routine of pulling the bolt to the rear, then poke down on the front of the next round with my finger, then pushing the bolt forward. Also, the front of the follower tried to jump out numerous times when loading the first round.

Anyone have any advice on this? The magazine is assembled as shown in this diagram:


Overall, had a good range trip yesterday and have fallen in love with this little rifle!

Here's a 100 yard target, sandbag rest. One of the rare occasions I managed to get 5 steel cased rounds into the mag. Just so happened to be right as I'd gotten familiar with the rifle and the scope zeroed in as well as I felt I could get it at the moment.
I was going for a 5 shot group at the center bull, but threw that flyer to the right. I had the audacity to barely touch that set trigger before I'd lined up the shot, setting off a string of profanity. I felt I was doing pretty good at that distance with that ammo, so I switched to the brass cased Federal American Eagle I picked up on the way to the range and shot that group to the lower right.



I believe I can tighten it up more. I rarely practice real marksmanship with a rifle these days, mostly I stick to my handguns. Actually, I haven't really sat down and shot at 100 yards in a few years. I managed to get a few more 1" groups, but after a while my shoulder began to get tired and the barrel was getting warm and dirty, so I knocked off when they started to open back up. Fired a total of 75 rounds.

I'll try out some Federal Fusion, Winchester soft point, and Geco soft point on my next range trip, try to tighten those groups and move them a touch to the right, then see what happens at 200 yards. That's the max at my range and double the max distance I expect to actually shoot in the field around here.

Side note: my 19 year old stepson has NEVER attempted any sort of marksmanship shooting. Just casual plinking with my AK and the S&W 642 I gave him last year.
I explained the magazine issue to him and left him alone while I took my youngest over to the rimfire side with his 22. When I came back, I found he'd embarrassed the hell out of the gamer boys shooting "patterns" with their scoped ARs at 25 and 50 yards. Made one of them mad, accused him of being a professional and showing off, trying to make him look bad in front of his girlfriend.
His response? "You think my 4" groups make you look bad? You should have been here when my dad was shooting." That guy in particular was lucky to hit the range's pie targets at 50 yards. I'm highly disappointed in some young folks' idea of "accuracy" these days. I started the day next to an old man putting a 8" groups on paper at 200 yards with a beat up old M1 carbine, with irons.


TL:DR, good range trip, had some mag trouble.

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2017, 10:10:08 AM »
You might try disassembling your magazine to verify the follower and spring are oriented as in the photo, and neither leg of the follower is bent excessively.

You can 'tune' a magazine by bending the rear, or longer, leg slightly. Bending it out towards the mag body will lower the tip of the bullet.
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Offline SteelHorseCowboy

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2017, 12:32:45 PM »
I disassembled it to make sure. I'll post up a pic in a little while of how I have it assembled and how my spring looks and is oriented. Maybe that'll help you help me, I really appreciate it.

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2017, 12:43:30 PM »
The spring does have a strange bend on one end of it. Since I've never seen such a thing before, and above was the best pic I've found, I tried swapping ends back and forth but settled on putting it towards the bottom of the mag.
Maybe it was done by the previous owner trying to compensate for a weak mag spring?
I also have a youtube account, I'll try to get a video of how the follower is behaving. It'll help if I can find some loose ammo in my car...

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Re: Hi, new poster, 527 Carbine sight parts
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2017, 03:00:03 PM »
Here's a video that I hope helps to explain what's going on. Apologies for my shaking hands, been busy and not able to get lunch yet.

https://youtu.be/TQBp_d6E024