HB Industries P10 trigger

[earlan357]

So many ways to approach rating spring weights for striker pistols with an inner trigger pivot safety. Here is an informal one take video showing how we did it for the P10's, please let us know what you think. This forum really is loaded with experience, knowledge, and users capable of providing some of the best feedback that we have ever received. If the voice of customer here says that we need to change how we rate our P10 striker springs, we will absolutely listen. Quick video on our methodology:

No real need to change the ratings in my opinion.  Even with some type of machine that could pull the trigger perfectly consistently, there's too much variation in parts and tolerances between individual guns to expect the trigger pulls to perfectly match the weight ratings.  There's a ~9oz difference in trigger pull weight between just my two P-10s.  For me, the important thing is that the trigger weight delta between springs is consistent with the ratings, which they seem to be by my observations. 

[armoredman]

earlan, thank you fr that great graphic! 

[1SOW]

I know tins is a NON issue, but somewhere in this equation one gets into the striker springs ability to light off them little things called primers!

My Glock Nut buddy told me that one should not go below 4 pounds on the striker spring without using special primers for reliability.

 

No difference with the CZ 75s.  Federal primers are how you get the great trigger pulls.  My Sig also gets Federal primers.  It will shoot reputable SD commercial ammunition,  but knowing it will shoot anything that goes bang is a good thing.

[Indy_Tim]

I'm not a big fan of going too light on a striker in search of a better trigger.  What good is a trigger pull if it won't reliably set off a primer?  A couple of years ago, I was shooting in a pistol bay at a local range when a 20's something kid and his girlfriend asked if they could share the bay since the range was on the crowded side that day.  After I said 'sure', he started to set up a camera so he could do a video for YouTube on how great he had made his Glock 19.  While he was shooting, he was talking into the camera going over all of the mods he had done and how he had turned a mediocre gun into something fantastic.  The problem was, he was getting failures to fire on about 3 rounds per mag and kept complaining into the camera how crappy his ammo was.  I packed up and went home and when I got there, I discovered one of his rounds had been ejected into my range bag.  He must have dropped way under 4lbs for the striker spring because the round was barely dimpled.  His mods must have felt good in his hand, but his reliability went through the floor.  The ammo he was shooting looked to be either Blazer or WWB IIRC.

I've run into similar issues on my P07.  If I run a 13.5# spring, I'll get a rare light strike that will not set the primer off.  All it takes is one on a carry gun for me to jump up a level to the next spring.

[earlan357]

I know tins is a NON issue, but somewhere in this equation one gets into the striker springs ability to light off them little things called primers!

My Glock Nut buddy told me that one should not go below 4 pounds on the striker spring without using special primers for reliability.

 

No difference with the CZ 75s.  Federal primers are how you get the great trigger pulls.  My Sig also gets Federal primers.  It will shoot reputable SD commercial ammunition,  but knowing it will shoot anything that goes bang is a good thing.

I don't go below a 5# striker spring on my Glocks.  Below that, I've had light strikes with notoriously hard CCI primers.  One thing to note is that the Glock "firing pin" is spade shaped instead of a traditional rounded pin.  Due to the shape, as the spade punches deeper into the primer, the surface area increases, spreading out the impact over a wider area.

Also, most springs (recoil, hammer) are generally rated in pounds per inch of compression, although 1911 govt springs are rated at lbs @ 1.625" of compression.   But what does it actually mean when a Glock striker spring is marked as 5lbs? 5lbs trigger pull?  5 lbs/in spring rate?  Also, different spring lengths mean different amounts of pre-load on the spring when installed.  A more accurate representation might be to determine the spring load at the striker's forward and "cocked" positions.  Great, now my overly pedantic self wants to build a small spring rater and start quantifying these things.

[s0nspark]

Great, now my overly pedantic self wants to build a small spring rater and start quantifying these things.

That would be a fun and interesting project ;-)

[e-mishka]

@earlan357
Best trigger comparison GIF ever, THANK YOU

[Indy_Tim]

I installed my HBI trigger today and have to say that it really shortens the pull.  Before the trigger, I was getting a consistent 4.5# at the center of the trigger shoe and after I'm up to 5.0# using the stock striker spring.  I have not tried one of the lighter springs yet.  It does a nice job of cleaning up the face of the trigger.  And, I kind of like the burnt orange color for some reason.

[Toby196]

Looks good, Indy_Tim.

BTW, I just wanted to give a heads-up to anyone waiting to buy one of the triggers, and prefers a non-black trigger.  HBI website still has the Burnt Orange model In Stock, and it looks like the Red model is also In Stock now.

[Jeff25]

i like the way the burnt orange trigger looks, but I also want to keep as stock an appearance as I can. I don't think I want it to look obviously hot-rodded. Am I over-thinking it?

[Toby196]

i like the way the burnt orange trigger looks, but I also want to keep as stock an appearance as I can. I don't think I want it to look obviously hot-rodded. Am I over-thinking it?

No, I don't believe you're overthinking it, as that's pretty much exactly what I'm thinking (unless we're both overthinking it, lol).

By the way, I just got a notification e-mail from HBI that the Black Triggers are back In Stock!  Unfortunately, I don't have the extra cash to buy it just yet, so hopefully someone on here can take advantage of the availability.  Payday can't come soon enough.

[earlan357]

i like the way the burnt orange trigger looks, but I also want to keep as stock an appearance as I can. I don't think I want it to look obviously hot-rodded. Am I over-thinking it?

No, I don't believe you're overthinking it, as that's pretty much exactly what I'm thinking (unless we're both overthinking it, lol).

By the way, I just got a notification e-mail from HBI that the Black Triggers are back In Stock!  Unfortunately, I don't have the extra cash to buy it just yet, so hopefully someone on here can take advantage of the availability.  Payday can't come soon enough.

I just got the email too.  2nd trigger ordered!

[Toby196]

i like the way the burnt orange trigger looks, but I also want to keep as stock an appearance as I can. I don't think I want it to look obviously hot-rodded. Am I over-thinking it?

No, I don't believe you're overthinking it, as that's pretty much exactly what I'm thinking (unless we're both overthinking it, lol).

By the way, I just got a notification e-mail from HBI that the Black Triggers are back In Stock!  Unfortunately, I don't have the extra cash to buy it just yet, so hopefully someone on here can take advantage of the availability.  Payday can't come soon enough.

I just got the email too.  2nd trigger ordered!

Nice.  I'm really tempted to just go ahead and order one, but I'd be cutting it way too close as far as getting to my next paycheck.  It sucks being a (barely) responsible person, lol.

[Jeff25]

Just pulled the trigger..... ok, I just ordered the black one.

[armoredman]

I know the feeling Toby - I was handed a choice - new car battery that keeps the People Mover going or get a new trigger. Oh well, next time.