I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...

[armoredman]

Yep, tap rack no bang is really frustrating, had it happen with a few guns over the years. The Jennings was expected, the HK was not.

I think something is happening at CZ-USA, waiting for some kind of official word.

[Joe L]

Raining Brass makes a great point.  I was never interested in the first gen P-07.  But the two P-09's I bought benefitted tremendously from the first version P-07.  And the second version P-07 was just about perfect for it's intended use, and quite excellent with just a few CGW parts, even as a precision shooter, and it doesn't seem to have any operational issues. 

So, my P-10C wasn't perfect as it came from the factory in the early production runs, but trimming a plastic part, changing one spring, doing a little polishing, adding some Sugru and JB-Weld and a well used LPA sight from a 75B hardly constitutes a production disaster.  I am actually quite pleased with it.  Yes, I expect some changes to be made and possibly some parts to be replaced to eliminate the initial issues.  In a year or two, only a few people will remember and I will most likely be shooting a 4.5-5" full size P-10 version in local bullseye match with a red dot sight, just to irritate my 1911 buddies.  And this original P-10C will most likely be locked in my desk at the office, loaded and ready if ever needed, if I'm still working by then.

This is fun.  This is not easy. 

Joe

[armoredman]

I can see you with a full size P-10, red dot and all, that will be fun.

[cremaley]

So my question is does the so called "fatal flaw" have anything to do with the striker tip breaking off or is that a separate issue. I have not had the fatal flaw issue but my striker tip did break off and I am not sure why. Could it be dry firing without using snap caps? CZ-USA did not think so but felt it is best to use snap caps if you are dry firing a lot. They felt the issue was probably more due to an excessive heat issue when the striker was being made. My P-10 will be ready tomorrow with new striker installed including HBI's 3.5 pound spring and the trigger components polished. Would appreciate your opinion on the cause of the striker tip breaking off.

[StuckonGlocks21]

So my question is does the so called "fatal flaw" have anything to do with the striker tip breaking off or is that a separate issue. I have not had the fatal flaw issue but my striker tip did break off and I am not sure why. Could it be dry firing without using snap caps? CZ-USA did not think so but felt it is best to use snap caps if you are dry firing a lot. They felt the issue was probably more due to an excessive heat issue when the striker was being made. My P-10 will be ready tomorrow with new striker installed including HBI's 3.5 pound spring and the trigger components polished. Would appreciate your opinion on the cause of the striker tip breaking off.

The ?fatal flaw? is not the striker tip breaking. Although, that?s more fatal than the slide cover plate causing an out of battery condition. The fatal flaw is the striker unit rotating and allowing the slide cover plate to move down catching on the frame and holding the slide out of battery. The fatal flaw is easily fixed. A broken striker, not so much!


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[Oldhammerdude]

So my question is does the so called "fatal flaw" have anything to do with the striker tip breaking off or is that a separate issue. I have not had the fatal flaw issue but my striker tip did break off and I am not sure why. Could it be dry firing without using snap caps? CZ-USA did not think so but felt it is best to use snap caps if you are dry firing a lot. They felt the issue was probably more due to an excessive heat issue when the striker was being made. My P-10 will be ready tomorrow with new striker installed including HBI's 3.5 pound spring and the trigger components polished. Would appreciate your opinion on the cause of the striker tip breaking off.

The ?fatal flaw? is not the striker tip breaking. Although, that?s more fatal than the slide cover plate causing an out of battery condition. The fatal flaw is the striker unit rotating and allowing the slide cover plate to move down catching on the frame and holding the slide out of battery. The fatal flaw is easily fixed. A broken striker, not so much!


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 Could you elaborate further on the (easily fixed) part?  There are many looking for the cure to the problem, not just a easy short term fix...
The broken striker part is bad but not what I'm asking about.
Still trying not to step on them toes..

[cremaley]

So my question is does the so called "fatal flaw" have anything to do with the striker tip breaking off or is that a separate issue. I have not had the fatal flaw issue but my striker tip did break off and I am not sure why. Could it be dry firing without using snap caps? CZ-USA did not think so but felt it is best to use snap caps if you are dry firing a lot. They felt the issue was probably more due to an excessive heat issue when the striker was being made. My P-10 will be ready tomorrow with new striker installed including HBI's 3.5 pound spring and the trigger components polished. Would appreciate your opinion on the cause of the striker tip breaking off.

The ?fatal flaw? is not the striker tip breaking. Although, that?s more fatal than the slide cover plate causing an out of battery condition. The fatal flaw is the striker unit rotating and allowing the slide cover plate to move down catching on the frame and holding the slide out of battery. The fatal flaw is easily fixed. A broken striker, not so much!


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Thank you. Hopefully the new striker will hold up better than the original. I am planning on using snap caps when I dry fire.

[StuckonGlocks21]

So my question is does the so called "fatal flaw" have anything to do with the striker tip breaking off or is that a separate issue. I have not had the fatal flaw issue but my striker tip did break off and I am not sure why. Could it be dry firing without using snap caps? CZ-USA did not think so but felt it is best to use snap caps if you are dry firing a lot. They felt the issue was probably more due to an excessive heat issue when the striker was being made. My P-10 will be ready tomorrow with new striker installed including HBI's 3.5 pound spring and the trigger components polished. Would appreciate your opinion on the cause of the striker tip breaking off.

The ?fatal flaw? is not the striker tip breaking. Although, that?s more fatal than the slide cover plate causing an out of battery condition. The fatal flaw is the striker unit rotating and allowing the slide cover plate to move down catching on the frame and holding the slide out of battery. The fatal flaw is easily fixed. A broken striker, not so much!


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 Could you elaborate further on the (easily fixed) part?  There are many looking for the cure to the problem, not just a easy short term fix...
The broken striker part is bad but not what I'm asking about.
Still trying not to step on them toes..

I didn?t elaborate because some people think it?s a short term fix. I don?t. I?ve shot it a lot and no more issues. My fix was even copied by CZ. It works. Some people think the striker assembly should be replaced with one that doesn?t rotate or move and allow the slide cover plate to move down. I can take that or leave that. My pistol doesn?t stop because of the slide cover plate anymore. So it?s fixed. I?m more worried about a broken striker now.



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[badwrench]

So my question is does the so called "fatal flaw" have anything to do with the striker tip breaking off or is that a separate issue. I have not had the fatal flaw issue but my striker tip did break off and I am not sure why. Could it be dry firing without using snap caps? CZ-USA did not think so but felt it is best to use snap caps if you are dry firing a lot. They felt the issue was probably more due to an excessive heat issue when the striker was being made. My P-10 will be ready tomorrow with new striker installed including HBI's 3.5 pound spring and the trigger components polished. Would appreciate your opinion on the cause of the striker tip breaking off.

At this point I don't think it's much more than a bad batch of firing pins that slipped through.. It happens.. Glock, S&W, HK, all have had an issue like this at one point, and all of them got it taken care of. I would'nt try to read any more in to it than that. OTOH, if you end up breaking say, 2-3 more, then there's a problem, as it is now I would'nt even consider carrying it until you put at least 500rnds through it, if it's going to break again, it'll probably do so within the first 500 rnds..

[cremaley]

So my question is does the so called "fatal flaw" have anything to do with the striker tip breaking off or is that a separate issue. I have not had the fatal flaw issue but my striker tip did break off and I am not sure why. Could it be dry firing without using snap caps? CZ-USA did not think so but felt it is best to use snap caps if you are dry firing a lot. They felt the issue was probably more due to an excessive heat issue when the striker was being made. My P-10 will be ready tomorrow with new striker installed including HBI's 3.5 pound spring and the trigger components polished. Would appreciate your opinion on the cause of the striker tip breaking off.

At this point I don't think it's much more than a bad batch of firing pins that slipped through.. It happens.. Glock, S&W, HK, all have had an issue like this at one point, and all of them got it taken care of. I would'nt try to read any more in to it than that. OTOH, if you end up breaking say, 2-3 more, then there's a problem, as it is now I would'nt even consider carrying it until you put at least 500rnds through it, if it's going to break again, it'll probably do so within the first 500 rnds..

Thanks for responding. I'll be hitting the range tomorrow as soon as I pick it up from my gunsmith. Will let you know how it goes.

[Rick53]

Boy the way the comments are it sounds like someone who can't afford to have a gun just lay around cause you bought a Pretty looking Lemon. Better steer clear of the P-10 until a few years down the road. Disappointing to say the least

[cremaley]

Are you familiar with the saying " it never rains but it pours ". Well today it definitely rained on my parade. Stopped by my gunsmith to pick up my P-10. He installed the replacement striker with a HBI 3.5 pound striker spring and in the process of reinstalling the striker block spring it broke. He said this spring is very thin and fragile. He did polish the trigger components and the trigger is now awesome but the striker block spring will need to be replaced. I called CZ-USA Customer Service and explained what happened and they told me to send my P-10 back to them and they will install a new striker block spring along with a new slide cover plate to address the so called "fatal flaw". I asked if they are replacing the original striker with a new and update one and was told no. They still believe the problem is heat related and limited to a small batch. As soon as I receive my shipping label my P-10 will be off for repair. They quoted me 4-6 weeks but said in all likelihood it will be done a lot sooner than that. I really like the P-10 and am looking forward to the day when it is trouble free. No intensions of getting rid of it at this point.

[Oldhammerdude]

Are you familiar with the saying " it never rains but it pours ". Well today it definitely rained on my parade. Stopped by my gunsmith to pick up my P-10. He installed the replacement striker with a HBI 3.5 pound striker spring and in the process of reinstalling the striker block spring it broke. He said this spring is very thin and fragile. He did polish the trigger components and the trigger is now awesome but the striker block spring will need to be replaced. I called CZ-USA Customer Service and explained what happened and they told me to send my P-10 back to them and they will install a new striker block spring along with a new slide cover plate to address the so called "fatal flaw". I asked if they are replacing the original striker with a new and update one and was told no. They still believe the problem is heat related and limited to a small batch. As soon as I receive my shipping label my P-10 will be off for repair. They quoted me 4-6 weeks but said in all likelihood it will be done a lot sooner than that. I really like the P-10 and am looking forward to the day when it is trouble free. No intensions of getting rid of it at this point.

WOW, what else can one say except Wow.  Good luck to ya. Today makes 2 weeks mine has been in their hands, waiting to see what comes back. Talked to a couple guys at a shop today and they said No on trade in for anything else when I get it back. Good looking paper weight if nothing else.

[cremaley]

Are you familiar with the saying " it never rains but it pours ". Well today it definitely rained on my parade. Stopped by my gunsmith to pick up my P-10. He installed the replacement striker with a HBI 3.5 pound striker spring and in the process of reinstalling the striker block spring it broke. He said this spring is very thin and fragile. He did polish the trigger components and the trigger is now awesome but the striker block spring will need to be replaced. I called CZ-USA Customer Service and explained what happened and they told me to send my P-10 back to them and they will install a new striker block spring along with a new slide cover plate to address the so called "fatal flaw". I asked if they are replacing the original striker with a new and update one and was told no. They still believe the problem is heat related and limited to a small batch. As soon as I receive my shipping label my P-10 will be off for repair. They quoted me 4-6 weeks but said in all likelihood it will be done a lot sooner than that. I really like the P-10 and am looking forward to the day when it is trouble free. No intensions of getting rid of it at this point.

WOW, what else can one say except Wow.  Good luck to ya. Today makes 2 weeks mine has been in their hands, waiting to see what comes back. Talked to a couple guys at a shop today and they said No on trade in for anything else when I get it back. Good looking paper weight if nothing else.

Thanks. Fortunately I have a Springfield XDE which is my EDC at this time. Its very reliable and accurate. I really like the P-10 and sincerely hope CZ can get it to a point where every time I pull the trigger is goes bang! The ergonomics are excellent and the trigger is outstanding. When I get it back I will fire at least 500 rounds before I put it service as a EDC. Probably should have waited for this gun to be on the market for a longer period of time before buying one but I've never been known for having patience. I guess for now its just a waiting game.

[Thebillsman]

Are you familiar with the saying " it never rains but it pours ". Well today it definitely rained on my parade. Stopped by my gunsmith to pick up my P-10. He installed the replacement striker with a HBI 3.5 pound striker spring and in the process of reinstalling the striker block spring it broke. He said this spring is very thin and fragile. He did polish the trigger components and the trigger is now awesome but the striker block spring will need to be replaced. I called CZ-USA Customer Service and explained what happened and they told me to send my P-10 back to them and they will install a new striker block spring along with a new slide cover plate to address the so called "fatal flaw". I asked if they are replacing the original striker with a new and update one and was told no. They still believe the problem is heat related and limited to a small batch. As soon as I receive my shipping label my P-10 will be off for repair. They quoted me 4-6 weeks but said in all likelihood it will be done a lot sooner than that. I really like the P-10 and am looking forward to the day when it is trouble free. No intensions of getting rid of it at this point.

Why don't you just sell it for $400 and buy another one? Start fresh.

I'm at 1,450 rounds without a single failure. I'll probably have another 200 through it by the end of the weekend. I've had two first time shooters fire it with no issues. I've used a lot of different grains and pressures. I've had it fully disassembled three times. I've carried it every day for the last two months.. I love the thing. You got a lemon in a bad batch. Try changing your serial number.