CZ P07 - Longer term follow up -somewhat surprised...

[Raining_Brass]

Are some of the Omega triggers that bad OOTB? I have a hammer spring, sanded down FP block plunger, took some tension of the trigger bar support spring; my trigger is insanely light and crisp. No polishing.... 3000-4000 round mind you, but it was awesome OOTB on day one.

Sounds like you?re talking about the SA pull. We?re talking about the DA pull. Frankly - all Imegas have a horrendous DA pull out the box. Lol

[s0nspark]

Yes, there?s a big difference in trigger pull from 18lb to 15lb. I run 15lb in every 07/09 I own with CGW extended firing pin and reduced power fp spring, including my carry 07. Have never, ever had light strike issues with a huge assortment of ammo. *I don?t shoot steel cased ammo so I can?t speak on those primers.

Same here... I've seen zero problems out of the 15# spring with any of the ammo I shoot.

Have you run ANY 'hard primer' ammo?  I like to run Tula and Wolf - it tests a gun lighting all primers, and it frankly is good range ammo in 9mm.

I knew you would ask that... ;-)

No, these days I stick to range ammo that closely approximates what I carry (Speer Lawman) but I have run a variety of different things through over the past year or so (Winchester NATO, WWB, Federal Target, American Eagle, Magtech, Aguila, Freedom Reman, Federal HST2, Speer Gold Dot, Winchester Ranger RA9T, Underwood Bonded, Barnes DPX and I think some S&B...)

No steel cased stuff, though.

[M1A4ME]

My P07 is stock inside (RMR/slide machining, BUIS, etc. but all internals are original).  SA pull is 3&1/4 lbs. and once the firing pin block is lifted and the trigger stops - the next little movement drops the hammer.  DA is about 8.5 lbs. but I never use it (except to test to see how much it is).

My P09 is almost as good.  All internal parts are original.  SA is 3&3/4 lbs. and DA is about 8&3/4 lbs.  It has just a tiny bit of creep between the firing pin block lifted out of the way spot and the hammer release.

My P09 .40 does not have a trigger in the same class with the first two.

[briang2ad]

CGW SR Kit on the way, and I have both hammer springs coming.

We'll see how it goes.  According to CGW, the MIM parts in the gun may last, but are not always spec'd right and lead to problems in trigger action.  Obviously, most are pretty good OTB, and I have felt better ones.  I got a dud. 

Point to the OP though is that even with a sucky pull, the P07 still shoots pretty darn well.  I think it is the grip angle, beavertail, etc.  Also notice that the support hand gets plenty of contact on the side of the frame.  The grip is slim, and your support hand gets more control.  It is ideally suited for two handed shooting with a strong support hand. 

[briang2ad]

So, a longer term follow up on my FIRST P07 which had an atrocious trigger.  Remember - it stacked miserably, it was EXTREMELY gritty, and it felt like it was well over 15 LBS.  It was felling much better after a trip to CZ to replace the hammer and disconnector.  It had been polished (trigger bar - mostly the side).  With several hundred more rounds, it was getting very good. 

Friday I took it down to put in the SR kit.  I 'found' the 7th page of the sticky thread, and so I paid special attention to the REAR of the trigger bar.  I also polished most of the pins (trigger, sear, hammer).  Now, as I put it together, I was amazed.  No stacking and smooth as butter.  Admittedly I an running a 15 LB spring, but so far it is good with Tula/Wolf primers so it is GTG. 

So... what started out as a rotten trigger, is now amazing - it CAN be done. 

I'm starting to feel confident that almost any crappy P series trigger can be made very good to excellent.

Unrelated, but I might understand WHY CZ put the huge (but hard to reach) SS/SR on these guns.  To make the decocker a convertible safety, the lever had to rotate down and be forward, unlike the P01.  This makes it VERY hard for those without orangutan thumbs to activate the SR.  So... you do it with the weak had thumb right after slamming the mag in the gun.  Its a tad slower than an easy to reach SR, but it is MUCH better than shifting the grip to get at around the decocker and activating the lever.  By being LARGE, it is easy to hit with the ff-hand thumb at speed. 

[s0nspark]

So... you do it with the weak had thumb right after slamming the mag in the gun.  Its a tad slower than an easy to reach SR, but it is MUCH better than shifting the grip to get at around the decocker and activating the lever.  By being LARGE, it is easy to hit with the ff-hand thumb at speed.

That is the technique I?ve adopted and now use on all pistols. I really don?t like shifting the gun in my strong hand for any reason if it can be helped... and I have larger hands and long fingers.

With a little practice this technique works really well

[MarilynMonbro]

I have plenty issues with my 15lb P07s with Winchester and S&B primers. No issues with my 12lb spring in my P09.

There's a possibility I got a spring mixed up, but everything should be identical

Edit - all have the extended firing pin and spring. And the rp-trs

[FakeCZName]

The 15 lb hammer spring is meant to be used ONLY with CGW's Extended Firing Pin and Firing pin spring.

[briang2ad]

The 15 lb hammer spring is meant to be used ONLY with CGW's Extended Firing Pin and Firing pin spring.

Generally true!  and.. CGW recommends the 15 for competition - not defense.  But, if I have a gun that runs Wolf/Tula fine, i KNOW it will be fine with any defensive ammo. 

I am beginning to find out that Winchester is a 'hard primer' round also. 

[Wokpak]

Any recommendations on smoothing and creating a better break without lightening any of the pulls? I know about the rigger bar and bending the spring (pull a ton of dry fire),;but what else can be done.

[Raining_Brass]

Any recommendations on smoothing and creating a better break without lightening any of the pulls? I know about the rigger bar and bending the spring (pull a ton of dry fire),;but what else can be done.

CGW race hammer is the one and only part that will give a cleaner break.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Any recommendations on smoothing and creating a better break without lightening any of the pulls? I know about the rigger bar and bending the spring (pull a ton of dry fire),;but what else can be done.

CGW race hammer is the one and only part that will give a cleaner break.

I think the addition of the CGW hammer is the single best upgrade for any CZ pistol. I have one in my P-07 as well as my 75 variants and they are outstanding parts. Removes all the camming and provides a sweet clean break.

[briang2ad]

Any recommendations on smoothing and creating a better break without lightening any of the pulls? I know about the rigger bar and bending the spring (pull a ton of dry fire),;but what else can be done.

CGW race hammer is the one and only part that will give a cleaner break.

I think the addition of the CGW hammer is the single best upgrade for any CZ pistol. I have one in my P-07 as well as my 75 variants and they are outstanding parts. Removes all the camming and provides a sweet clean break.

YUP - particularly for folks coming over from SIGs or Berettas who don't appreciate the whole 'camming' thing.

[Wokpak]

Any recommendations on smoothing and creating a better break without lightening any of the pulls? I know about the rigger bar and bending the spring (pull a ton of dry fire),;but what else can be done.

CGW race hammer is the one and only part that will give a cleaner break.

I think the addition of the CGW hammer is the single best upgrade for any CZ pistol. I have one in my P-07 as well as my 75 variants and they are outstanding parts. Removes all the camming and provides a sweet clean break.

Check on the hammer.

Do you think the roller helped you at all?

[Raining_Brass]

Any recommendations on smoothing and creating a better break without lightening any of the pulls? I know about the rigger bar and bending the spring (pull a ton of dry fire),;but what else can be done.

CGW race hammer is the one and only part that will give a cleaner break.

I think the addition of the CGW hammer is the single best upgrade for any CZ pistol. I have one in my P-07 as well as my 75 variants and they are outstanding parts. Removes all the camming and provides a sweet clean break.

Check on the hammer.

Do you think the roller helped you at all?

Roller not going to do anyhting for break.