NCIS Check to Buy Ammo?

[MadDuner]

As far as I know, it's going to only be a CA specific law that penalizes the law-abiding citizens for daring to exercise their second amendment rights.  The check stations that are already there are for Agriculture purposes.  There are also Border Patrol check stations that stop traffic, but are generally staffed well enough to not jam up the works.  Who knows, they may set up yet another set of check stations looking for 2A contraband.

The entire goal of this is to slow down or completely stop anybody from actually exercising their Constitutional Right to Bare Arms - through any means possible.   Allowing separate states or municipalities to suspend Constitutional Rights of citizens who have done nothing wrong is a huge mistake and should not be allowed to continue.  But worse yet, they are looking to expand this infringement of our rights.  It's long past time for our Federal Government and the SCOTUS to make it clear that the Constitutional Rights of all Americans - APPLY EVENLY AND CONSISTENTLY TO ALL CITIZENS - REGARDLESS OF LOCATION.

[rhart]

A law like this will make straw purchasers who sell to thugs rich. Since Illinois already has a similar law, how are all the criminals in places like Chicago getting their ammo? Duh!

[rhart]

As far as I know, it's going to only be a CA specific law that penalizes the law-abiding citizens for daring to exercise their second amendment rights.  The check stations that are already there are for Agriculture purposes.  There are also Border Patrol check stations that stop traffic, but are generally staffed well enough to not jam up the works.  Who knows, they may set up yet another set of check stations looking for 2A contraband.

The entire goal of this is to slow down or completely stop anybody from actually exercising their Constitutional Right to Bare Arms - through any means possible.   Allowing separate states or municipalities to suspend Constitutional Rights of citizens who have done nothing wrong is a huge mistake and should not be allowed to continue.  But worse yet, they are looking to expand this infringement of our rights.  It's long past time for our Federal Government and the SCOTUS to make it clear that the Constitutional Rights of all Americans - APPLY EVENLY AND CONSISTENTLY TO ALL CITIZENS - REGARDLESS OF LOCATION.

The Wasserman-Schultz proposed law (copied from previous attempts - she isn't smart enough on her own) is a proposed federal law.

[rhart]

From the article: ?You do not have the right to bear bullets,? Wasserman Schultz said.

What do you think? Does she have a point?

[IDescribe]

The word ?arms? is short for ?armaments? and refers to all gear and equipment used to wage war, as opposed to the typical interpretation of the word to mean something more akin to small arms or firearms.  But arms is all gear and equipment, to include ammo.  So NO, she does not have a point. 

[painter]

I never said they care.  I said it?s not going to happen ? and it?s not going to happen because it?s preposterously impractical to implement.  It?s simply not going to happen.  And everyone here who believed it will never notice they got suckered (again) by a bit of typical gunsite fear-mongering. 

And you have never seen a DUI checkpoint on an Interstate.  No local LEO agency is bringing interstate traffic to a halt for a DUI checkpoint.   

Never seen a DUI checkpoint on the highway, but I have seen a Border Patrol checkpoint on I-93 in my home state.

[Grendel]

NICS checks on ammo please gentlemen, not DUIs, is the subject of this discussion

[rhart]

This was the law at one time, although it didn't require background checks. See below.

From the NRA-ILA website:
"The Gun Control Act of 1968 originally required ammunition dealers to be licensed and to record ammunition sales, similar to the requirements that continue to pertain to sales of firearms by licensed dealers. In 1982, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition was exempted from the federal record keeping requirements, followed in 1986 by the repeal of both the licensing and record keeping requirements as they pertained to ammunition dealers. An official from the ATF testifying on the 1986 bill characterized the proposed repeal as a ?positive? development, noting that the then-existing requirements had ?no substantial law enforcement value? and that ?their elimination would remove an unnecessary recordkeeping burden from licensees.?

[Ritter]

The sitting President  (If this were to ever pass) would need to grow a set and tell the BATFE they will only answer firearm checks. If FL calls in, trying to BGC all of this other ridiculousness, politely tell them it's their state's job and hang up.

Then bill FL $$ per call for waisted man hours.
Didn't CA  already try to add bgc for things that fell outside federal law? They put it on their state patrollers, and it tied up too much time so they stopped it?

[andrew1220]

Recently here in California you can no longer have ammunition shipped to your place of residence. You are required to have it shipped to an FFL where you are charged a transfer fee to pick up the ammunition, instant background checks for ammo purchases will soon follow.

FWIW, Targetsportsusa.com will ship to CA residents that have a C&R type 03 FFL. Well worth the $30 every 3 years if you can have ammo shipped directly to your door....

[gunbuster]

Pardon bumping this old thread but isn't this the law that goes into effect in July 2019?  I was informed I could not have ammo shipped at residence and any ammo purchased from a store also required a background check.  However in the last few months the managers still did not know the cost per application.  My question is if they can call in a NCIS background check for ammo and it can be completed while a buyer waits in store, why can't they do the same to buy a firearm?  Sorry not trying to derail the topic too much.

On a related note I see online deals for ammo but most state cannot ship to CA even an FFL.  Why is that?

[Ron M.]

It's not so much they can't ship to CA, it just not worth the cost and effort to do so. CA requires them to have a tax ID and collect sales tax, and meet all the other stupidity the insane legislators have created. Makes me so glad I left that miserable state 25 years ago this month. 

[m1a_scoutguy]

New York State passed a law like that as part of our SAFE ACT, but it was never implemented because law enforcement said it would be near impossible to do all of those checks, the nics system would just crash

Correct,I think our Great Governor just thought the NICS system would take over for his proposed ammo checks,, the Feds said NO and yes it would more than likely crash the system. I'm sure it is still floating around in the back of there brains but you don't even hear talk about checks for ammo anymore, at least I haven't!

[Cortelli]

Pardon bumping this old thread but isn't this the law that goes into effect in July 2019?

I believe the original post / thread was about a proposed Federal law from Wasserman-Shultz.

With respect to the CA law that you're referring to, parts went into effect in 2018 (no direct ship from out of state, among other things).  July 1 2019 the background checks become required.

I was informed I could not have ammo shipped at residence and any ammo purchased from a store also required a background check.  However in the last few months the managers still did not know the cost per application.

If you appear in CA's AFS (automated firearm system? can't remember) the cost of the check is $1.  If you don't, $19.  Anyone who has purchased a gun in CA that required a DROS will be in AFS - so for anyone who has purchased a handgun in the past many years or a long gun since some years back, the cost for the background check is $1.

My question is if they can call in a NCIS background check for ammo and it can be completed while a buyer waits in store, why can't they do the same to buy a firearm?  Sorry not trying to derail the topic too much.

I don't believe they are running a NICS check in CA for ammo - just a check against CA DOJ's databases. 

On a related note I see online deals for ammo but most state cannot ship to CA even an FFL.  Why is that?

As noted by others, many vendors just don't want the hassle.

It may be worth your while to get an FFL03 + CoE.  The FFL03 is the Curios & Relics collectors license (not a license to deal in firearms) and costs something like $30 for three years.  The Certificate of Exemption (CoE) is a CA DOJ certificate and is a bit more spendy -- something like $71 in fees, plus the cost of a livescan fingerprint service (~$25 at various places like UPS Store, etc.).  After the initial application, it is $22 to renew annually with no further fingerprinting costs.

I bring all this up because CA law continues to permit direct delivery of ammo purchased from out of state to holders of a valid FFL03 + CoE.  And there are many non-CA ammo vendors who will happily ship to CA residents who hold FFL03 + CoE.

As a final note, I believe Judge Benitez is assigned to the case brought by CPRA / NRA against the CA ammo law.  Judge Benitez is the USDC judge who recently wrote a very strong decision on the CA magazine ban that is being appealed to the 9th circuit.  The issues are different than the magazine issues, but I suppose we could do a lot worse than arguing before Benitez regarding the entire ammunition sales process imposed in California.

[adrian]

     Hiya and thanks for whomever started the thread and brought it back from the dead. And I think its great our community can enlighten members of the variety of efforts in legislation that relate to background checks for ammo purchases and beyond. Its our tax dollars at work,in all the different cities,counties,states and assume reflects the wishes of the 75percent of americans that don't own guns,or some percentage of them. Find our who your local districts,city,and state representatives are and reach out to give our minority a voice. We should have about 60millions voices for them to listen to. Making a regular and active effort over decades will make the difference, who wants to deal with an email in box of a few million concerned citizens a week. Be well.