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Offline inletman

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P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« on: July 01, 2018, 11:12:44 PM »
what do you think....both very good guns , I think

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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2018, 11:15:00 PM »
P10C for me. Less flip, equal trigger in my opinion. 2 great firearms. Own both.

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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2018, 11:29:53 PM »
what do you think....both very good guns , I think

I think you are correct. In fact I would say they are both great pistols. I have both and carry both. I don't think I could choose between them. So to make it simple. Get both, if you can. If not, whichever one you choose, you will have a great pistol.
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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2018, 12:13:36 AM »
I have shot a p10c and am a new owner of a p07 and p09. I am a longer term owner of a ppq and felt no need to add a striker fired cz to my collection. If you are going ppq I would recommend shelling out the extra cash for a q5 or q4 to have the optic capability out of the box and really nice fully adjustable sights and either a threaded barrel or a custom slide depending on the model you choose. I would probably buy a p10 with night sights for 450ish over a ppq with its stock horrible sights, I prefer the grip ergonomics of the ppq but prefer the stock grip texture of the p10c. The "muzzle flip" and recoil complaints about the ppq are overblown in my opinion but the cz does shoot a little more flat. The ppq trigger is better and easier to be accurate with at distance imo but some do prefer the p10 trigger. I chose a p07 over the p10 myself and would choose a q5 over a p10 but that's me

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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2018, 06:32:04 AM »
Have both.  I like shooting them equally as well.  They feel different but in a way, that's hard to describe.

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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2018, 10:13:32 AM »
Too bad Walther deviated whatsoever from their superb paddle release .  Uniquely the best in the industry.  Nothing comes close.

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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2018, 01:34:59 PM »
I think apeaks24 nailed it with his post. Also if you shoot outside in the summer the PPQ grip can get a little slippery with sweaty hands. You can get the PPQ with the paddle mag release or the M2 version with the push button. David

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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2018, 02:47:21 PM »
I think by now you've figured out that you won't make a mistake with either one. If you can't rent/shoot them before you buy, hopefully you can at least grip them and see with one feels better in your hands (at least with the grip installed from the factory). I'm with the paddle release folks, though....Walther got it right (IMHO) with their version of the paddle and, as David note, the M1 version is still quite available.

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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2018, 03:57:29 PM »
I had a PPQ  5? and sold it. I just didn?t like the striker fired pistols. I end up purchasing a P99 full size and later a compact which I carry. The are striker fired with decockers. But nothing beats my  CZs except  my Walther P5.
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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2018, 01:30:22 PM »
Too bad Walther deviated whatsoever from their superb paddle release .  Uniquely the best in the industry.  Nothing comes close.
It always surprises me that some folks prefer the paddle release. The M2 button release is THE reason I win against better marksmen. I sold my PPQ because of the recoil/flip. It dug into my thumb too much (I put a few thousand rounds through it in training, and didn't come to that decision lightly.)

Other guys are right, the P10c has a better grip, and the recoil difference is significant for guy with weaker hands like me.

The PPQ trigger is unparalleled, but I was always afraid that it might be a LITTLE too light. The P10c trigger feels like a combat trigger, but not a crappy Glock trigger.

The PPQ M2 mag release is vastly superior to the P10c.

TruGlo TFX Pro sights make the PPQ very  useable day or night. CZ I Dot sights make the P10c sights superior at night.

The Slide stop on the P10c is inferior to the PPQ.

All together, I am a better shot with my P10c, both slow fire and rapid fire (HBI trigger and CGW striker).

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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2018, 02:54:09 PM »
Bought a Glock 43 first with the Crimson Trace red laser. Too dang small. The laser bit my finger. And, worse, couldn't hit anything with it. But it is small. It's there up close and personal: all six shots. Removed and stored the CT laser. Bought an adapter plate and mounted a Vortex Venom red dot on the rear dovetail for fun. Added a Hogue rubber grip sleeve to hold onto the thing better. Marginally nicer to shoot now. Not my favorite.

Bought a P10C. Great price. Great shooter. I hit what I aimed at, especially after installing the CZ fiber optic front sight. Very aggressive texture on the grip, though. Almost too aggressive. Wife really likes to shoot it. Thought it was the .22. Very little flip. Ambi mag release is hard to press.

Then bought an HK VP9SK with the paddle mag release and tritium night sights. What a great gun. Perhaps my best shooter without any modification. Easy to carry, comfortable to hold and shoot. Full ambi controls. I like the paddle release. Tiny bit slower, but I don't shoot competition, and it cannot accidentally release the mag. (See PPQ22 experience below.)

I carry these striker guns without a round in the chamber. Just too easy to pull the trigger. (The dancing/backflipping FBI agent who accidentally shot a bystander comes to mind.) So to get them into action, I must jack the slide. I practice the move at the range.

Then bought a Walther PPQ .22. Wanted an intro pistol for newbies who've never shot, but has the grip and feel of a full 9mm or larger. The PPQ .22 is REALLY comfortable to hold. Great ergonomics. As it's an M2 model, it has the giant mag release button under the thumb and a very light spring under that button. For whatever reason, the way I hold the pistol, I hit that mag release button three times, dropping the mag out of complete insertion. Somehow, my right thumb depressed the mag button enough to let the mag slip out 1/4". Weird. Don't know if this happens with the 9mm PPQ M2. The .22 is shaped like a PPQ, but doesn't fully function like one, so there's probably a difference. Still, I love that PPQ22. Shoots like a dream. Great to get kids and women comfortable with shooting. Very light recoil and minimal noise.

Then bought a CZ 75 D Compact PCR with its decocker and no safety. Purposely wanted the hard-DA-easy-SA trigger for increased safety while carrying. Hopefully, no twitchy finger unexpected releases. Adding Truglo TFX Pro sights. The wimpy glow sights it comes with are pitiful. They aren't tritium; they fade rapidly, leaving three tiny white dots. Not the best. Plan to carry this with one in the chamber, hammer at half cock. A bit heavy overall with its alloy frame. I like the PCR a lot, though that first DA shot is almost always off target by a couple inches. Will need a lot of practice to master. And the second shot is almost a double tap because you're expecting the same trigger pressure, and it's so much lighter.

Finally, ordered a Walther P99C striker, with decocker and "Anti-Stress" trigger. Lighter weight due to polymer frame, Walther ergonomics, ambi paddle mag release, striker decocker leading to a DA first shot. This also gives me a more difficult first trigger pull to help avoid accidental discharge. But will probably fire the second lighter-pull shot almost automatically.

I realize it's all the rage for Glock-style cocked-and-unlocked carrying of the P10C, the VP9SK, the PPQ and a host of others. But a light trigger with one in the chamber makes me nervous.

It's why CZ came up with the PCR: Police Czech Republic. Their police wanted a harder first pull under stress situations.

But to answer your question: I love the feel of the PPQ.
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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2018, 10:31:53 PM »
I've had a couple PPQs over the years. I now have none but own a P10C. After an HBI trigger and CGW guide rod and spring I'm very happy with the CZ. I feel the grip fits my hand better and I shoot it better. I think the PPQ has a better trigger tho. The P10C carries better IMO. It is my carry gun.
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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2018, 03:53:53 AM »
P10c way cheaper. Can buy that and case ammo for the price of the ppq

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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2018, 03:49:15 PM »
Too bad Walther deviated whatsoever from their superb paddle release .  Uniquely the best in the industry.  Nothing comes close.
It always surprises me that some folks prefer the paddle release. The M2 button release is THE reason I win against better marksmen. I sold my PPQ because of the recoil/flip. It dug into my thumb too much (I put a few thousand rounds through it in training, and didn't come to that decision lightly.)

Other guys are right, the P10c has a better grip, and the recoil difference is significant for guy with weaker hands like me.

The PPQ trigger is unparalleled, but I was always afraid that it might be a LITTLE too light. The P10c trigger feels like a combat trigger, but not a crappy Glock trigger.

The PPQ M2 mag release is vastly superior to the P10c.

TruGlo TFX Pro sights make the PPQ very  useable day or night. CZ I Dot sights make the P10c sights superior at night.

The Slide stop on the P10c is inferior to the PPQ.

All together, I am a better shot with my P10c, both slow fire and rapid fire (HBI trigger and CGW striker).

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I've never really used one.  I've played around with them, a little, but no significant round count or real training with one.  I have wheel barrels of ammo, and a bunch of training, on pistols with the U.S. style mag release.

HOWEVER, when I was considering the PPQ (which I never ended up getting), I was only looking at the ones with the paddle release.  To me (on paper) it just seems like the happy medium between being harder to accidentally push and accessibility (unlike the old Euro style on the bottom of the grip).

I might regret it later (when my times take a huge hit), but I would make that switch RIGHT NOW if there was a way to change the placement of my mag release.

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Re: P 10C vs Walther PPQ m2 9mm 4"
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2018, 04:01:42 PM »
Understood. My experience has been that the PPQ button release is perfect. In tactical training I've never had an accidental release of a magazine. However, I've never been in a gunfight...only had a green beret yelling my ear while shooting or other guys shooting next to me.

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