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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: MadDuner on June 21, 2019, 10:50:37 PM
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I tried searching for some additional mags for my new P-07, and everywhere I looked it said they were discontinued or out of stock. Then I read a post from somewhere else that said the mags from a P-10C fit the P-07. Well? Who knows the answer? I am hoping the vast knowledge base that we have here can steer me in the right direction. I need more 15 or 16 round mags!
Thanks in advance for any light that be shed on this subject.
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First or 2nd gen P-10c mags will fit the P-07, Part numbers include 11420 11423 11184 11185
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Thanks!
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I sure can empathize with your dilemma MadDuner ! It's real bad when your state threatens to make you a felon and you have to send all your standard capacity mags to your daughter out of state.
Seemed like there were no 10 round mags available for a while, but they come and go. While CZ mags appear to be made by MecGar, I believe there are agreements in place prohibiting them from marketing them directly.
The baseplates on the P10 mags is shaped differently, but will perform the same as long as the side release cuts align.
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I noticed this as well. I get my P07/P09 mags from the CZ store website and the only thing they show for the P07 now is in 40 cal. I contacted CZ on this and they said to now use the P10C mags, bu that the base pad does not line up exactly perfect, but it is not noticable really.
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Thanks guys!
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MadDuner
I ran into problems about a year ago getting P07 mags. Finally found some at Iammo and Greg Cote.
http://gregcotellc.com/cart/cz-factory-mecgar-actmag-c-173/cz-p07-cz-p07-duty-cz-p10-c-reverse-9mm-15-rd-11420-p-1478.html
I noticed he mentions a discontinuation of P07 only Mags
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Dumb question but what does "reverse" mean in the description?
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It refers to the magazine release being reversible, rather than the original Ambidextrous magazine release.
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Ok, for those interested. I ordered some P10C "reverse" mags direct from CZ for my P07 and got them yesterday. As I said before CZ told me that the base plate does not line up perfect on the P07 and it is true, but not an issue at all I would say.
Original P07 mag on right, new mag on left:
(https://i.imgur.com/rIdNpm1.jpg?1)
Original P07 mag:
(https://i.imgur.com/qbawAhb.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/vNhJZoV.jpg?2)
New P10C mag:
(https://i.imgur.com/WNmGBJV.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/Bk2luve.jpg?1)
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Ok, for those interested. I ordered some P10C "reverse" mags direct from CZ for my P07 and got them yesterday. As I said before CZ told me that the base plate does not line up perfect on the P07 and it is true, but not an issue at all I would say.
Original P07 mag on right, new mag on left:
(https://i.imgur.com/rIdNpm1.jpg?1)
Original P07 mag:
(https://i.imgur.com/qbawAhb.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/vNhJZoV.jpg?2)
New P10C mag:
(https://i.imgur.com/WNmGBJV.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/Bk2luve.jpg?1)
I don’t like it. I want the original. :/
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that's nothing a light sanding drum on a Dremel wouldn't take care of.😎
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Looks like CZ is clsing out the P07 specific +2 mag base plates for $4 each.
http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/545900000078_Plastic-Magazine-2-Base-Pad-P07
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I tried searching for some additional mags for my new P-07, and everywhere I looked it said they were discontinued or out of stock. Then I read a post from somewhere else that said the mags from a P-10C fit the P-07. Well? Who knows the answer? I am hoping the vast knowledge base that we have here can steer me in the right direction. I need more 15 or 16 round mags!
Thanks in advance for any light that be shed on this subject.
OMG....I checked around also and it seems P-07 9mm mags out of stock. Some sites say discontinued. What gives CZ?
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I tried searching for some additional mags for my new P-07, and everywhere I looked it said they were discontinued or out of stock. Then I read a post from somewhere else that said the mags from a P-10C fit the P-07. Well? Who knows the answer? I am hoping the vast knowledge base that we have here can steer me in the right direction. I need more 15 or 16 round mags!
Thanks in advance for any light that be shed on this subject.
OMG....I checked around also and it seems P-07 9mm mags out of stock. Some sites say discontinued. What gives CZ?
P-10c mags are 100% compatible with 9mm P-07 pistols and are priced lower.
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P-10c mags are 100% compatible with 9mm P-07 pistols and are priced lower.
Yes but they should offer these mags with a proper fitting base plate for the P-07. I can see already I would need to refit the P-10 base plate to fit my grip and I should not have to do that. CZ has been fumbling in a few areas as of late I'm sad to say.
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I'm not positive, but I was under the impression that those magazines were actually made by Mec-Gar, but couldn't be directly marketed by them due to some agreement with CZ. Wonder if CZ discontinuing them could affect that. Magazines direct from MecGar could conceivably cost less than those with a CZ logo stamped in.
Doesn't MecGar have a presence here onboard ? I'm an old geezer, so it may just be the lead in my system catching up with me LOL !
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Yes but they should offer these mags with a proper fitting base plate for the P-07. I can see already I would need to refit the P-10 base plate to fit my grip and I should not have to do that. CZ has been fumbling in a few areas as of late I'm sad to say.
True: CZ Misses the boat on a few things and with all the attention now on SF guns, CZ is neglecting the P guns. Try getting extra backstraps for FDE or UG models, and of course P07 base plates are non existent.
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This is neglect of the customer by CZ.
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I followed the link to Greg Cote earlier in the thread and ordered all the P-07/P-10 mags I wanted. No problem. Quick turnaround. All smiles from me!
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But they are not P07 mags, they are P10 mags. Yes they work in the p07, but the difference in the mag base doesn’t give the magic feel of the P07. CZ should at least sell us the p07 bases.
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But they are not P07 mags, they are P10 mags. Yes they work in the p07, but the difference in the mag base doesn’t give the magic feel of the P07. CZ should at least sell us the p07 bases.
Understood.....
I just put 200 rounds through my P-07 this morning and did not even notice the difference between originals and P-10s. Of course it was probably because I was concentrating on my front sight while blocking out the AR brass that kept beaning me in the side of the head from my neighbor in the next lane. LOL
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At speed it’s again not a big deal, but they also look goofy and don’t really match. Also the p10 plus 2s do feel wierd. CZ USA, you listening?
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For me it is kind of a big deal. I bought a couple of P10-C magazines, and yes they do function just fine and seem identical other than the base pads, but I have pinched a blood blister on my dominant hand pinky finger a few times when seating those mags, because of the way the front edge juts out like that. I was using them as my range / practice magazines and had it happen at the range and at home. My carry mags and some of my other spares are real P-07 magazines and I never had that problem with them. I replaced the P10-C base pads with some UTG +0 aluminum ones for range usage, but they are too bulky to carry with. So now I have to guard and protect my collection of genuine CZ P-07 plastic base pads like some rare item, which seems pretty silly. I also got some extra P-07 +2 bases on clearance from CZ-USA before they disappear forever.
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So now I have to guard and protect my collection of genuine CZ P-07 plastic base pads like some rare item, which seems pretty silly. I also got some extra P-07 +2 bases on clearance from CZ-USA before they disappear forever.
. Here here.
And... they never sold the baseplates separately because I asked a year ago - 'nope'. CZ has some great guns, but in general they do brain dead things that hold them back sometimes. This is one of them - you can tell the P10 mags were not made for the gun. Not. Obviously they have the molds and it is trivial to produce them. Lucky for me that I have a SP2022 and have learned to 'drink tee' when I change any mag.
I will say this: They DID start putting out extra Urban Grey and OD backstraps which I harangued them for some months back.
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Yea,yea I know 10rd mags,, it will make you a better reloader practicing more, LOL! ;) I bought 8, hard to pass up the savings, plus I got FREE shipping! Worth checking out!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021434936?pid=761439
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Looks like CZ is clsing out the P07 specific +2 mag base plates for $4 each.
http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/545900000078_Plastic-Magazine-2-Base-Pad-P07
This, if you just can't live with the P10C baseplates.
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Yea,yea I know 10rd mags,, it will make you a better reloader practicing more, LOL! ;) I bought 8, hard to pass up the savings, plus I got FREE shipping! Worth checking out!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021434936?pid=761439
What restricts them to 10 round mags, the follower?
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Yea,yea I know 10rd mags,, it will make you a better reloader practicing more, LOL! ;) I bought 8, hard to pass up the savings, plus I got FREE shipping! Worth checking out!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021434936?pid=761439
What restricts them to 10 round mags, the follower?
Usually a notch pressed into the magazine.
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Yea,yea I know 10rd mags,, it will make you a better reloader practicing more, LOL! ;) I bought 8, hard to pass up the savings, plus I got FREE shipping! Worth checking out!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021434936?pid=761439
What restricts them to 10 round mags, the follower?
Usually a notch pressed into the magazine.
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Thanks. I was hoping it was an easy fix, like an extended block on the baseplate or follower.
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Yea,yea I know 10rd mags,, it will make you a better reloader practicing more, LOL! ;) I bought 8, hard to pass up the savings, plus I got FREE shipping! Worth checking out!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021434936?pid=761439
What restricts them to 10 round mags, the follower?
I will take a good look at one for ya guys! I shot today and didn't think to look but will. I don't think there is a notch in them! Heck, I got 20 of them, ;D really, so I'll dissect one and find out. Like I say for $21 bucks with FREE shipping even if you use them for range mags or if you shoot IDPA they will be perfect for that, save your reg/high cap mags for carrying and other more important things!
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Yea,yea I know 10rd mags,, it will make you a better reloader practicing more, LOL! ;) I bought 8, hard to pass up the savings, plus I got FREE shipping! Worth checking out!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021434936?pid=761439
What restricts them to 10 round mags, the follower?
I will take a good look at one for ya guys! I shot today and didn't think to look but will. I don't think there is a notch in them! Heck, I got 20 of them, ;D really, so I'll dissect one and find out. Like I say for $21 bucks with FREE shipping even if you use them for range mags or if you shoot IDPA they will be perfect for that, save your reg/high cap mags for carrying and other more important things!
I believe the 10 rounders have a dimple in the sides of the mag that only allow the follower to move to that point. Carefully drill the dimples out and they should hold full capacity. I have several 10 rounders for my Sig 229's that were that way and I drilled the dimples and they now hold 15 rounds no problem.
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I think I see it on the 75 mags. They have an elongated depression, about in the middle on the 10 round, and at the bottom for the 14 and 16 round mags, with the 14 round having a longer one ending higher. The Mec-Gar 18 round has no depression. If it's the same, that would be too large to drill out, so hopefully the P07 mags are different.
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The standard 75 series 10 rounders do have a different depression to restrict the capacity.
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Found it, image of 10 round P07 mags with the dimple showing.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-content/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2017/08/24/7240102_01_cz_p07_fde_9mm_640.jpg)
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Yep that's it. Carefully drill out those dimples and smooth away any burrs and they will then hold full capacity.
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Yep that's it. Carefully drill out those dimples and smooth away any burrs and they will then hold full capacity.
My kind of thinking.
BTW: NICE FDE P07.
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I have enough magazines, but now this thread has me wanting to order some cheap 10-round mags and drill them out. I ran across one of the old 16-round P-07 magazines in a LGS today, new in the package, but they were asking like $45 for it.
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Those of us who lived through the Clinton ban have a special twitch that makes us buy 'too many' standard mags. Like a dog that's been beat. Never again.
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Does anyone have the SKU numbers for the deairable, old magazines and the number for the new, don't-fit-quite-right mags?
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Does anyone have the SKU numbers for the deairable, old magazines and the number for the new, don't-fit-quite-right mags?
Not sure on the numbers as I searched high and low and couldn't find a single original P-07 mag anyplace. The new P-07/P10C mags are easily identified by the red follower though.
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I’ll be drilling some out soon enough. Any hints or techniques to share?
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I use a high quality bit in a drill press. Go slow so as not to compress the mag body and distort it. Finish by filing/sanding off and burrs.
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I use a high quality bit in a drill press. Go slow so as not to compress the mag body and distort it. Finish by filing/sanding off and burrs.
I would suppose you use a bit almost as wide as the dimple and for this one do in a line the length of the dimple? Thanks.
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I start with a pilot hole about half the size of the dimple and finish with one that removes it fully but it can be done either way.
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Does anyone have the SKU numbers for the deairable, old magazines and the number for the new, don't-fit-quite-right mags?
Not sure on the numbers as I searched high and low and couldn't find a single original P-07 mag anyplace. The new P-07/P10C mags are easily identified by the red follower though.
Thanks.
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Dimple on both sides of the 10 rounders, certainly seems like hardened steel in its ability to smoke cheap bits. Also have to remove over an inch of tightly coiled spring to allow 15 rounds to fit. Might have to cut one more coil, as with 15 loaded the mag won't seat in the pistol. Going to leave it loaded for a few days first to see if the tension drops enough.
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Dimple on both sides of the 10 rounders, certainly seems like hardened steel in its ability to smoke cheap bits. Also have to remove over an inch of tightly coiled spring to allow 15 rounds to fit. Might have to cut one more coil, as with 15 loaded the mag won't seat in the pistol. Going to leave it loaded for a few days first to see if the tension drops enough.
WOW - wish I saw this before I ordered. But I might just switch bases with a P-10C mag, and use them as range mags. BUT, it would be a pleasure to liberate a poor 10 round mag to normal capacity!
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Better bits might help a good deal. And the spring cut was a few seconds with a dremel. It wasn't as easy as I'd hoped, but not really problematic to at least get 14 round capacity. And I could still throw +2 bases on that.
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Better bits might help a good deal. And the spring cut was a few seconds with a dremel. It wasn't as easy as I'd hoped, but not really problematic to at least get 14 round capacity. And I could still throw +2 bases on that.
Quality bits are a must have if you're drilling ANY metal. This falls squarely in the "right tool for the job" classification. Run the bit slowly and use cutting fluid.
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Yeah, I was really hoping this was going to be some simple stamped mild steel that these cheap HSS bits could run through quickly. Even with use of a lube, the cutting was going nowhere slow, relative to the stock thickness. If I had some cobalt bits with better red hardness than those throwaway moly bits, they may have held up at the tip.
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So you can only get 14 rounds in?
Again, I may just swap bases and use for range mags
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Is it legal to alter a dedicated 10 round mag to a higher capacity?
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Is it legal to alter a dedicated 10 round mag to a higher capacity?
Yeah if you live in America where there's no capacity restriction. If you live in restricted America then no.
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Saw this while looking at AR15 parts (just popped up at the bottom of the page in the other customers bought stuff):
Midway has P07 (CZ magazines not copies) for the .40 S&W P07's on sale for about $20 each while supplies last. These are supposed to be the 12 round type.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1006226186?pid=586697
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I'm going to buy some of the +2 base plates and put them on the P-10C/P-07 magazines.
Since the +2 base plates don't fit as well as the OEM P-07 Mag base plates, I won't be messing up my Original P-07 magazines.
Brian
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BEWARE: The link in this thread to P07 10 rounders is for a sloppy supply of both P07 and P10C 10 rounders!!!! So, you are buying P10Cs with the WRONG base in many cases. Don't buy!!!
Of course the larger issue is that CZ looks to be in non support of a product.