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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: Genin on August 02, 2014, 08:33:41 AM
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My Glock 19 is my EDC, but I've fallen in love with my P-01. I shoot it very accurately and found that it was very concealable as well. In putting the two side-by-side I've found that they are just about the same size w/the CZ having a slightly longer grip (maybe 1/4"). As a lefty the slide lock and decocker are on the side facing away from my body so it is not uncomfortable for me. I figured I'd post up some pictures of the Glock 19 and CZ P-01 next to each other so anyone whom was wondering about concealability of the CZ could compare it to a very common carry gun in the G19.
The top shot (note, I do have a gripforce adapter on my G19 and I have done some grip work):
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CZ has a wider grip, but you could easily slim it with different grips. I love the rubber ones so they are staying:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6ff4d32b.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6ff4d32b.jpg.html)
The are almost identical in size in every way:
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Showing the thickness similarity (the grip looks longer on the CZ in this one, but note the position of the beaver tails. If they were lined up, it would be almost the same length):
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsf7ac740d.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsf7ac740d.jpg.html)
Side by side:
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(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsae836929.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsae836929.jpg.html)
Same thickness, minus the controls on the CZ:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps7a007157.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps7a007157.jpg.html)
Hope this helps anyone whom hasn't handled a P-01 and was wondering how concealable it would be. I find it very concealable, using just a remora holster. I may get an aliengear holster soon. Feel free to ask any questions.
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Thanks for the photos and information. Looks like you have installed a set of Tru Glo FO sights on the G19 as well?
I own a P-01 and use it for carry with the exception of the warmer summer months when I go to a smaller pistol (M&P Shield). I find the P-01 conceals very well with the right belt and holster. It's one of the best shooters I own.
I've always been curious about the Glocks as there is a reason they are so popular, but with my collection and preference for CZs, I've never gotten around to shooting one. How would you compare the way the G19 handles compared to the P-01? I'm interested in things like relative weight, recoil, natural point of aim, accuracy, and ergonomics.
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Nice side-by-side comparison. The leather G19 holsters I've tried all fit my P01 pretty well.
I put some VZ grips on my P01 and it slims it down nicely.
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GRB,
You are very welcome for the pics and thank you for the kind words. I do have TruGlo TFOs on my G19 and love them! I wish they made them for CZ, I'd buy them in a heart beat.
As for your questions, I can only answer why Glock is so popular for myself. I love my Glock because it is incredibly simple. I can take apart, modify, smith, any part of that gun in a matter of minutes. It really is one of the most basic firearms out there. The aftermarket accessories are so plentiful and inexpensive that it makes modifying your gun to fit you a breeze and relatively cheap.
G19 vs CZ P-01:
Handling- The G19 and the P-01 feel the same in recoil. I find the G19 to be very soft shooting and the P-01 is a pleasure. I did take screen shots from slow motion video on my iPhone and compared the muzzle rise in recoil, here's picture examples:
G19:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpscd01a512.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpscd01a512.jpg.html)
P-01:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f54/GeninCloud/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps324b64e0.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/GeninCloud/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps324b64e0.jpg.html)
They seem about the same, with slightly less muzzle rise on the G19. I will attribute that to familiarity with the guns. I have shot the G19 for over 6k rounds and have shot maybe 300 through the CZ so with more rounds, I'd expect them to even out.
Weight-
Feels the same to me with the P-01 maybe being a hair heavier, but only a hair.
Natural Point of Aim-
CZ is a natural point and shoot firearm, Glock is NOT! I have to emphasize that because for most shooters that have shot Glock, the Glock grip angle causes your sights to be pointed high upon presentation. You have to slightly break your wrists down to get them aligned properly. With practice it is easy and becomes instinct, but it's not natural. The CZ is a pleasure and feels like an extension of my hand. I have no problem hitting the 'X' over and over again. It's very easy to aim.
Accuracy-
I shoot the CZ more accurately, even though I've shot it far-less-than the Glock, to 15 yards. After 15 yards I tend to do better with the Glock and I feel this is directly related to the sights. I shoot the Glock more accurately in fast fire strings because I am so used to riding the short reset of my Glock. The P-01 has a little longer reset and can result in trigger slapping for me. I shoot the Glock better weak hand which I also attribute to familiarity with the trigger.
Ergos-
No question. CZ wins hands down for me. There's a reason my Glock wears a grip force adapter, has a lower finger hump removed, undercut trigger guard, and stippling job. I did that to make it fit my hand to where it felt made for me. The CZ P-01 felt like it came from me from the factory, I even love the rubber grips.
Hope that helps, ask anymore questions you may have and I'll do my best to answer.
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knoxy,
Thank you. I do love VZ grips, I have them on my Stingray-C. I just love those chunky rubber ones lol. They are so darn comfortable. I haven't had issues with them grabbing my shirt either, which I've heard some people complain about.
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Nice comparison. I also took some shots of my PCR and a gen 4 Glock 19 that I picked up.
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Good shots Jakashh. I am surprised at just how similar they are in size.
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This is my favorite size gun.
I've had in chronological order:
Glock 19 (sold it to my son)
Walther P99
CZ P-01
They are essentially the same size - the perfect compromise in capacity and carry - IMO of course, also having perfect balance for ergonomics.
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/537/zln283.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/exzln283j)
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Towns,
Fantastic choice in firearms. Thank you for sharing those pictures. I agree the compact size is perfect for carry, home defense, etc.
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Welcome to the Cult, Genin. I love Glocks, and will defend their virtues against gun hipsters all day, but there's a reason why I own four CZs. My SP-01, RAMI, and D PCR all feel like they were custom molded to my hand, and give me an unearned sense of accomplishment whenever I shoot them.
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but there's a reason why I own four CZs. My SP-01, RAMI, and D PCR
That's only three......
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George,
As long as I don't have to wear purple nikes and wait for the tail of a comet, I'm okay with being in this cult. Love my Glock though. Can't help it. I could go on and on about the merits of my Glock. I will say that the CZ is more fun to shoot for me (the DA to SA is fun when shooting drills) and I think it's a "cooler" gun hahaha.
Viking,
Maybe those three are the only ones that feel custom made for his hand. Maybe the 4th isn't as comfortable.
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but there's a reason why I own four CZs. My SP-01, RAMI, and D PCR
That's only three......
Well crap.
I also have a CZ-83 which I love, but hardly ever shoot due to the cost of ammo (somebody needs to explain to me why .380 costs more than .45 ACP).
On the other hand, the 83 isn't quite as comfortable in my hands as my other CZs, so I really can't count it while I'm extolling the virtues of CZ ergonomics.
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Nice comparison. Always wondered how each looked side by side. I've been contemplating on getting a g19 for it being striker fired and polymer, maybe later in the future since I'm very happy with my P-01 ;D
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BEE,
Do it. You will not be disappointed in the G19. It's my EDC. I love it. It's on my side as I type right now. I appreciate the sleek no snag design of the Glock for carry and also the striker fired trigger ( I know others hate it ).
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Nice comparison on 2,great pistols
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Thank you Kdog. I do love both those guns.
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Thanks for the reviews and comments. I have been debating a lot between these two and the P01 is nonexistent where I live to handle one. So it is order on gunbroker and hope I like it so this helps a lot!
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I own and have carried the G26/G19/G17 and the P-01.
The P-01 doesn't carry as well as even the G17 IME. It's far more pokey IWB with the hammer and levers and such. I don't think I own a gun without parts or time in it and the P-01 is an absolute rock star to shoot after a moderate cash infusion in parts. Everything in the original post is similar'ish for me. Except, I removed all the P-01's internal warts and it is extremely nice and easy to shoot.
It just doesn't carry as well as a Glock. It physically cannot because of the beaver tail, hammer, and levers on the side. OWB would make that fairly irrelevant.
The other point is it took hundred(s) of dollars to actually get the P-01 to where it is a stellar pistol. For <$50 I can do springs and a connector, and make an O/T stop in a Glock and end up with a short sub 4# pull. It's lighter, holds more, and carries better. It won't shoot tits off a fly like the P-01 will. But I wouldn't have a grand in it either.
I love shooting the P-01. It rarely gets carried though.
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I carry my PCR (same as P-01 without rail) OWB daily,comfortably and while I have added upgrades for my own personal tastes I have no where near a grand in it. I know guys who have plenty in their glocks with upgrades like grip reductions and trigger work and all the other things that some guys have to add to those guns just so they fit their hands. That's not for me, if I have to modify a frame to make the gun feel good the gun isn't for me to start with. This all comes down to opinion and preference. I like the hammer fired DA/SA style pistols and I don't like striker fired guns like the G's.
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I have a 75D PCR that I also carry. It is totally stock, and works great for me. I am not a polymer guy, so have never had a G19, but I do respect their following. I would assume they are near the same in weight, although I have never done a comparison. With the lightweight, alloy frame, I really don't need the polymer, and change in grip ergos.
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I have both also the G19 and the PO-1. I have put my kadet on the PO-1. I have turned into a fan of striker fired pistols.
The G19 has worked flawlessly for years and hundreds of rounds. I am looking forward to trying the P10c as an updated
G19 with CZ design features and characteristics.
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I carry my PCR (same as P-01 without rail) OWB daily,comfortably and while I have added upgrades for my own personal tastes I have no where near a grand in it. I know guys who have plenty in their glocks with upgrades like grip reductions and trigger work and all the other things that some guys have to add to those guns just so they fit their hands. That's not for me, if I have to modify a frame to make the gun feel good the gun isn't for me to start with. This all comes down to opinion and preference. I like the hammer fired DA/SA style pistols and I don't like striker fired guns like the G's.
The gen 4 frames are essentially decent out of the box IMO. I don't really see a need for mods.
My P-01 was nearly $600 after shipping and transfer etc. Do a set of night sights, and then dump the majority of the internals in favor of CGW parts so it actually has a nice trigger etc. Set of decent grips... and you'll be around a $1k. Out of the box stock pistols, I'll take the Glock every time. The CZ's factory pull weight and creep and length are fairly awful. It takes far less $ to make the Glock trigger tolerable for use too. Now, I think you'd have to spend hundreds to not quite reach the P-01 after all the CGW parts went in it with a Glock. But I can make it decent for $50. It's not exactly apples to apples.
The P-01 is 28.1oz (empty) the G17 is 25.06oz empty, 32.12oz loaded. The G19 is 23.65oz empty, and 30.18oz loaded. Once you load the P-01 it's just heavier and has more stuff sticking out and off of it. I absolutely love the P-01, but when it comes to simple carry guns, especially IWB. The Glock carries better. Even a full size. It's lighter, holds more, and doesn't have a beavertail stabbing into me when I'm sitting and leaning etc, or any levers on the side. Now if it came time to actually get the gun out and use it, I have more than enough time behind a G17 to do what I need to do in a typical situation. If I had a split second to point shoot a BG in a crowded area... the P-01 would be ideal.
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I carry my PCR (same as P-01 without rail) OWB daily,comfortably and while I have added upgrades for my own personal tastes I have no where near a grand in it. I know guys who have plenty in their glocks with upgrades like grip reductions and trigger work and all the other things that some guys have to add to those guns just so they fit their hands. That's not for me, if I have to modify a frame to make the gun feel good the gun isn't for me to start with. This all comes down to opinion and preference. I like the hammer fired DA/SA style pistols and I don't like striker fired guns like the G's.
The gen 4 frames are essentially decent out of the box IMO. I don't really see a need for mods.
My P-01 was nearly $600 after shipping and transfer etc. Do a set of night sights, and then dump the majority of the internals in favor of CGW parts so it actually has a nice trigger etc. Set of decent grips... and you'll be around a $1k. Out of the box stock pistols, I'll take the Glock every time. The CZ's factory pull weight and creep and length are fairly awful. It takes far less $ to make the Glock trigger tolerable for use too. Now, I think you'd have to spend hundreds to not quite reach the P-01 after all the CGW parts went in it with a Glock. But I can make it decent for $50. It's not exactly apples to apples.
The P-01 is 28.1oz (empty) the G17 is 25.06oz empty, 32.12oz loaded. The G19 is 23.65oz empty, and 30.18oz loaded. Once you load the P-01 it's just heavier and has more stuff sticking out and off of it. I absolutely love the P-01, but when it comes to simple carry guns, especially IWB. The Glock carries better. Even a full size. It's lighter, holds more, and doesn't have a beavertail stabbing into me when I'm sitting and leaning etc, or any levers on the side. Now if it came time to actually get the gun out and use it, I have more than enough time behind a G17 to do what I need to do in a typical situation. If I had a split second to point shoot a BG in a crowded area... the P-01 would be ideal.
Without a doubt a g19 is going to be easier to carry as it's lighter. I have one myself. Right now, I'm carrying my steel framed SP-01 compact, and I'm sitting with nothing poking me anywhere. That part I don't understand, if the pistol is holstered how are you getting poked, stabbed by the beavertail, levers etc? The key to carrying a heavier gun is a decent holster, and a belt designed for carrying pistols. A $20 belt from wal-mart isn't going to cut it ( not ment as a dig on you) I'm using a Blade-tech nano for a P-01, and a belt made locally by Broken J Tactical it's a 1 3/4" wide belt. With this setup I'm fine and nothing pokes or stabs me anywhere, what kind of holster/belt are you using?
As far as having to dump alot of money into these pistols to get a decent trigger I disagree. My SP-01 compact has about $77 ($87 with shipping if I remember correctly) worth of CGW parts in it, I installed a extended firing pin kit, a #13 hammer spring, and a CGW trigger return spring,and CGW's easily removable trigger pin. I actually like the recurve trigger so, it stayed. I'm quite happy with the results, putting about 6-700 rnds through it really helped smooth it out, right now, I think it's fine as it is. I paid $ 541.71 plus another $10 for the transfer fee, for the pistol.I plan on installing a set of Dawson sights with a fiber optic front.One other thing I did, and this is purely optional, is to get the mag bodies electroless nickel plated, they'll never rust again. I was having a problem with the spare mag I carry rusting, as they have NO protection with the shiny blued finish that comes on them, this fixes that, and I found a place about 30 miles from me that specializes in that and they did it in a week. $110 to do 4 mags, considering Robar, does it for $20 a mag, plus you have to pay shipping both ways and on their web site they tell you not to call them for at least 3 weeks after sending them in, to see where you're at. I think this was a bargin. Especially since I could drop them off, and pick them up on site.
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^^^^The proper belt and holster combo is the key for sure. I have a good pancake style owb for the PCR and several very good gun belts. I had a mess of running around to do today and the PCR was on my hip for 11 very comfortable hours. I miss it when I take it off.
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Funny I have both guns in 40 ca. The P06- and the Glock 23. All 4 guns are basically the same size. For me the Glock 23 carries a little better IWB than the P06. Recoil wise the p06 has less recoil than the 23. Both are more accurate than I am and both are super reliable. If I can only choose 1 gun it would be the Glock 23 in a very close call.
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What's a Kadet?
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What's a Kadet?
The Kadet is a .22 rimfire conversion upper assembly and magazine.
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Without a doubt a g19 is going to be easier to carry as it's lighter. I have one myself. Right now, I'm carrying my steel framed SP-01 compact, and I'm sitting with nothing poking me anywhere. That part I don't understand, if the pistol is holstered how are you getting poked, stabbed by the beavertail, levers etc? The key to carrying a heavier gun is a decent holster, and a belt designed for carrying pistols. A $20 belt from wal-mart isn't going to cut it ( not ment as a dig on you) I'm using a Blade-tech nano for a P-01, and a belt made locally by Broken J Tactical it's a 1 3/4" wide belt. With this setup I'm fine and nothing pokes or stabs me anywhere, what kind of holster/belt are you using?
As far as having to dump alot of money into these pistols to get a decent trigger I disagree. My SP-01 compact has about $77 ($87 with shipping if I remember correctly) worth of CGW parts in it, I installed a extended firing pin kit, a #13 hammer spring, and a CGW trigger return spring,and CGW's easily removable trigger pin. I actually like the recurve trigger so, it stayed. I'm quite happy with the results, putting about 6-700 rnds through it really helped smooth it out, right now, I think it's fine as it is.
A multitude of holsters and belts. Most are quite minimal to reduce bulk. But the point doesn't change, if I can carry the 17 in the same manner as the P-01, and it bothers me less. Then does it really matter what holster or belt it is, if it's the same and the full size pistol is less annoying IWB? That was the actual point.
The 13# trigger spring didn't even get me close to where I like a trigger. IDK if it's the added length, but I can feel it compressing and I immediately wanted it out of the gun for something lower weight. This is where we just disagree. Even with the full pro-kit, I wish there was an even more extended FP so I could run the 8.5# spring and still be able to set off most anything. I think I begrudgingly settled on the 10. I went through it and polished, and tweaked to get everything as smooth as I could to try to get the 8 to work with more ammo. That would have put me in a 2.XX# SA. 5.XX# DA. And that's what I wanted. With the other parts in the pro kit, the trigger is drastically improved, as well as some added durability added in the FP etc.
To be clear I love the P-01 now, but out of the box - I have no idea how people tolerate the 14# DA and creepy SA with all that travel. It's awful, the sights are equally awful. The mechanical accuracy, recoil management, and ergo's are way up there. But to get it to its true potential it takes a few hundred bucks IMO. And again, if you're happy, that's fine. On the flip side, connector, plunger spring, return spring, 2 set screws and a drill/tap. And I have a 4# Glock trigger for <$50, with a full power striker spring. If I swap the striker spring (included in that kit), I can go to 2-3# and still set off most stuff. Now it would take hundreds more to even get close to a pro-kit'ed CZ. But that was my other fundamental point. If we are talking about the minimum to get into a carry gun with a decent trigger Glock>CZ. If we add $300+ in toys. CZ>Glock.
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Without a doubt a g19 is going to be easier to carry as it's lighter. I have one myself. Right now, I'm carrying my steel framed SP-01 compact, and I'm sitting with nothing poking me anywhere. That part I don't understand, if the pistol is holstered how are you getting poked, stabbed by the beavertail, levers etc? The key to carrying a heavier gun is a decent holster, and a belt designed for carrying pistols. A $20 belt from wal-mart isn't going to cut it ( not ment as a dig on you) I'm using a Blade-tech nano for a P-01, and a belt made locally by Broken J Tactical it's a 1 3/4" wide belt. With this setup I'm fine and nothing pokes or stabs me anywhere, what kind of holster/belt are you using?
As far as having to dump alot of money into these pistols to get a decent trigger I disagree. My SP-01 compact has about $77 ($87 with shipping if I remember correctly) worth of CGW parts in it, I installed a extended firing pin kit, a #13 hammer spring, and a CGW trigger return spring,and CGW's easily removable trigger pin. I actually like the recurve trigger so, it stayed. I'm quite happy with the results, putting about 6-700 rnds through it really helped smooth it out, right now, I think it's fine as it is.
A multitude of holsters and belts. Most are quite minimal to reduce bulk. But the point doesn't change, if I can carry the 17 in the same manner as the P-01, and it bothers me less. Then does it really matter what holster or belt it is, if it's the same and the full size pistol is less annoying IWB? That was the actual point.
The 13# trigger spring didn't even get me close to where I like a trigger. IDK if it's the added length, but I can feel it compressing and I immediately wanted it out of the gun for something lower weight. This is where we just disagree. Even with the full pro-kit, I wish there was an even more extended FP so I could run the 8.5# spring and still be able to set off most anything. I think I begrudgingly settled on the 10. I went through it and polished, and tweaked to get everything as smooth as I could to try to get the 8 to work with more ammo. That would have put me in a 2.XX# SA. 5.XX# DA. And that's what I wanted. With the other parts in the pro kit, the trigger is drastically improved, as well as some added durability added in the FP etc.
To be clear I love the P-01 now, but out of the box - I have no idea how people tolerate the 14# DA and creepy SA with all that travel. It's awful, the sights are equally awful. The mechanical accuracy, recoil management, and ergo's are way up there. But to get it to its true potential it takes a few hundred bucks IMO. And again, if you're happy, that's fine. On the flip side, connector, plunger spring, return spring, 2 set screws and a drill/tap. And I have a 4# Glock trigger for <$50, with a full power striker spring. If I swap the striker spring (included in that kit), I can go to 2-3# and still set off most stuff. Now it would take hundreds more to even get close to a pro-kit'ed CZ. But that was my other fundamental point. If we are talking about the minimum to get into a carry gun with a decent trigger Glock>CZ. If we add $300+ in toys. CZ>Glock.
And all of this is just your opinion and your own personal experience. Others have different opinions and experiences and not all of us need to spend hundreds of dollars to get a decent trigger. I'll take the DA/SA style trigger any day. I practice and I'm proficient with it. I've handled many glocks including the 19 and 17 and they feel about as un-natural as can be so now there I'd be spending all that money to get a grip reduction/reconfiguration just to make the glock a decent gun for me when the CZ already fits the bill.
See how this works? Just because something works better for you does not mean it works for everyone else or that we should just go with it because some one else said it's "the way".
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And again, if you're happy, that's fine.
And all of this is just your opinion and your own personal experience. Others have different opinions and experiences and not all of us need to spend hundreds of dollars to get a decent trigger. I'll take the DA/SA style trigger any day. I practice and I'm proficient with it. I've handled many glocks including the 19 and 17 and they feel about as un-natural as can be so now there I'd be spending all that money to get a grip reduction/reconfiguration just to make the glock a decent gun for me when the CZ already fits the bill.
See how this works? Just because something works better for you does not mean it works for everyone else or that we should just go with it because some one else said it's "the way".
You clearly missed this ^.
If you compared the factory P-01 (non-omega) trigger both in pull weight, creep, and feel, to, well, nearly anything in it's price range, I don't think you would find many people putting it at the top of the pile. So while the topic itself is subjective, I think there is plenty of facts to support what I'm saying. At no point did I tell you not to like it. But I also know what a good trigger feels like... both in a CZ, against a stock one. As well as in many other pistols... which again, was part of my point. That's all. I have trigger work done in almost every firearm I own or have built. But rock and roll bud. Whatever works for you.
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And again, if you're happy, that's fine.
And all of this is just your opinion and your own personal experience. Others have different opinions and experiences and not all of us need to spend hundreds of dollars to get a decent trigger. I'll take the DA/SA style trigger any day. I practice and I'm proficient with it. I've handled many glocks including the 19 and 17 and they feel about as un-natural as can be so now there I'd be spending all that money to get a grip reduction/reconfiguration just to make the glock a decent gun for me when the CZ already fits the bill.
See how this works? Just because something works better for you does not mean it works for everyone else or that we should just go with it because some one else said it's "the way".
You clearly missed this ^.
If you compared the factory P-01 (non-omega) trigger both in pull weight, creep, and feel, to, well, nearly anything in it's price range, I don't think you would find many people putting it at the top of the pile. So while the topic itself is subjective, I think there is plenty of facts to support what I'm saying. At no point did I tell you not to like it. But I also know what a good trigger feels like... both in a CZ, against a stock one. As well as in many other pistols... which again, was part of my point. That's all. I have trigger work done in almost every firearm I own or have built. But rock and roll bud. Whatever works for you.
I didn't miss anything. I get it. You love your glock and it's trigger. I don't like glocks or anything striker fired. This is a BS comparison to start with comparing two totally different firearm designs with each other. A proper comparison would be glock vs m&p or springfield armory or something along those lines and then the CZ vs Beretta or Sig or the old DA/SA S&W 3rd gen guns.
Anyway You'll do as you do and I'll do as I will. Bud.
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And again, if you're happy, that's fine.
And all of this is just your opinion and your own personal experience. Others have different opinions and experiences and not all of us need to spend hundreds of dollars to get a decent trigger. I'll take the DA/SA style trigger any day. I practice and I'm proficient with it. I've handled many glocks including the 19 and 17 and they feel about as un-natural as can be so now there I'd be spending all that money to get a grip reduction/reconfiguration just to make the glock a decent gun for me when the CZ already fits the bill.
See how this works? Just because something works better for you does not mean it works for everyone else or that we should just go with it because some one else said it's "the way".
You clearly missed this ^.
If you compared the factory P-01 (non-omega) trigger both in pull weight, creep, and feel, to, well, nearly anything in it's price range, I don't think you would find many people putting it at the top of the pile. So while the topic itself is subjective, I think there is plenty of facts to support what I'm saying. At no point did I tell you not to like it. But I also know what a good trigger feels like... both in a CZ, against a stock one. As well as in many other pistols... which again, was part of my point. That's all. I have trigger work done in almost every firearm I own or have built. But rock and roll bud. Whatever works for you.
I didn't miss anything. I get it. You love your glock and it's trigger. I don't like glocks or anything striker fired. This is a BS comparison to start with comparing two totally different firearm designs with each other. A proper comparison would be glock vs m&p or springfield armory or something along those lines and then the CZ vs Beretta or Sig or the old DA/SA S&W 3rd gen guns.
Anyway You'll do as you do and I'll do as I will. Bud.
Well said Bud! I agree with you, as I only prefer DA/SA guns so comparing it with a glock is pointless.
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Gentlemen, bring it down a notch or three. Everyone has their likes and dislikes, otherwise we wouldn't have the incredible diversity of sidearms for us to carry, even with looking at just one manufacturer like CZ! I carried the P-01 for years, never bothered me. I have carried the PCR, same thing. I have carried Glock 17 and 19, and they bugged me to no end, but that wasn't the pistol - it was that cheap Fobus holster they made us use, gah!
My experience with my P-01 was the more I shot it, the better the trigger was. I had a gunsmith accuse me of getting the trigger worked on, but it was just plenty of shooting. :) I find carryability to me is far more based on the holster and belt than anything else, and I say that as my two carry pistols nowadays are my SP-01 Phantom and my P-09, both Cajunized. Using High Noon Rock Steady gun belt and Down Under IWB, (for the Phantom), or for the P-09 I may use a Close Encounter IWB or a wonderful bison Hide Slide Guard OWb rig, and no issues whatsoever. Both guns are light enough that they carry well in good rigs.
Having said all that I am VERY interested in learning how well the P-10C carries...:)
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I figured since I have quite a few of both, and have worked on both. I'd add some input. My intention wasn't to ruffle feathers, it was to point out what I've learned owning, and liking, both. I realize that is so polarizing on the internet where we must all herd ourselves into one camp or another and mount bayonets. My point was to illustrate both the stock pistols, and how they stack up after the aftermarket starts to get a hold of them. That's all. *shrugs*
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I figured since I have quite a few of both, and have worked on both. I'd add some input. My intention wasn't to ruffle feathers, it was to point out what I've learned owning, and liking, both. I realize that is so polarizing on the internet where we must all herd ourselves into one camp or another and mount bayonets. My point was to illustrate both the stock pistols, and how they stack up after the aftermarket starts to get a hold of them. That's all. *shrugs*
"mount bayonets"
Do they fit on the Pic Rail?
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I really appreciate this topic and comparison. I scanned through the responses and it appears to have drifted a little into shoot-ability and triggers but the OP was sharing the size comparisons. The operations of the two pistols was not the intended comparison.
I have a 75B and often carry it AIWB with a High Noon Holster and nothing pokes me and the weight, in that position, is a non-issue. I mostly carry my 2022 and am currently considering selling it and getting either a P-01 or a P-07 to replace it so this topic is now bookmarked!. I shoot my 75B better than my 2022 so I am beginning to think that another CZ pistol may serve me better for warmer weather carry than my 2022.
I was out at my range the other day with a friend and my son and we all liked the75B most out of 4 other pistols.
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"mount bayonets"
Do they fit on the Pic Rail?
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Where else?
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"mount bayonets"
Do they fit on the Pic Rail?
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Where else?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170415/0d659a2ea7cc610e12a219dc4953317e.jpg)
The Elgin cutlass-pistol lives on into the new millennium.