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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ Polymer Pistols: P10, P-07, P-09 => Topic started by: Shimakaze on June 08, 2017, 12:12:55 PM
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I finally received my P10C yesterday. My pistol was ordered via CZ's MIL/LE program. The order was accepted on Jan 23,2017 and was shipped on June 3, 2017. Here my initial impressions.
* Pistol felt solid and nice in the hand. The slide serrations were just right. The frame texturing looked clean and reminded me of 20 LPI checkering on a 1911. The texturing is fine for me since my hands are caused up quite a bit.
* Sights are indeed aluminum. Interesting that a #2 front sight was used. I initially figured that they would use the #3 sight from the P07/09.
* Trigger's take up was a bit gritty at first, but after approx 400 presses, it cleaned up nicely. 5 lbs atm. Reset is very nice for stock.
* Passes the plunk test with Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P and Underwood Ammo's 147 gr XTP +P. My CZ P07, P09, and SP 01 doesn't.
* Mag release is a bit stiff. I ended up using Earl An's video for tending to the mag release. (Thanks !!) Currently it feels better.
* Slide stop / release was stiff, but not impossible to thumb down on both sides.
I'll be hitting the range tomorrow and see how she handles with a variety of loads I set aside.
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah200/ShimakazeP10C/IMG_4162_zpsfut03t2p.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/ShimakazeP10C/media/IMG_4162_zpsfut03t2p.jpg.html)
Next to my older off duty carry pieces:
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah200/ShimakazeP10C/IMG_4167_zpscwqsfgyw.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/ShimakazeP10C/media/IMG_4167_zpscwqsfgyw.jpg.html)
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah200/ShimakazeP10C/IMG_4163_zpskqgrf1y4.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/ShimakazeP10C/media/IMG_4163_zpskqgrf1y4.jpg.html)
Next to my current carry piece.
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah200/ShimakazeP10C/IMG_4166_zpsmukrawni.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/ShimakazeP10C/media/IMG_4166_zpsmukrawni.jpg.html)
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Is that a David Bowie stipple on the Glock 17?
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Is that a David Bowie stipple on the Glock 17?
Nope. I did the work myself. I chopped the grip to work with G19 mags for better concealment. I use 17 rounders as spares.
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Glad to see it finally arrived! Enjoy ;D
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Thanks !!
Gonna run it tomorrow. I had to dust off a full case of S&B 124 gr for tomorrows practice/break in session. :D
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Stipple job looks clean. You currently a P30 long slide?
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Stipple job looks clean. You currently a P30 long slide?
Thanks for the kind comment on my G17. That's my Godzilla skin pattern. The grip is also reduced around its circumference.
Yes, my P30LS v3 is my concealed pistol I carry. Accurate, reliable and fits my hand great.
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Shimakaze
Read your post congrats on your P-10, anyway, looked at mine (a fde pistol) and it does have the #3 front sight. Does CZ adjust the elevation at the factory via different front sight heights? Anybody know?
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Interesting that a #2 front sight was used. I initially figured that they would use the #3 sight from the P07/09.
That is interesting... mine has a #3.
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Here is a pic of my #2 front sight on my P10C. I wonder if they ran out of #3 sights ???
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah200/ShimakazeP10C/IMG_4179_zpsn0lkss1x.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/ShimakazeP10C/media/IMG_4179_zpsn0lkss1x.jpg.html)
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Mine has a #3 also but more importantly, what is your poa/poi like?
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I just got back from the range (0600 to 1308 hrs). I fired 1000 rounds with ZERO malfunctions. I fired: Sellier & Bellot 124 gr FMJ, Hirtenberger FL +P+ 100 gr, Cor-Bon 115 gr JHP +P, and Winchester 115 FMJ. The farthest I shot today was 15 yards and POA and POI was dead on for elevation, I did have to drift the rear sight 1mm to the right for windage adjustment.
The trigger crunchiness disappeared, some minor creep is still present though. The mag release and slide stop were stiff originally, but now works as it should. Overall, I'm impressed.
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah200/ShimakazeP10C/IMG_4185_zpsb8pah6ty.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/ShimakazeP10C/media/IMG_4185_zpsb8pah6ty.jpg.html)
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah200/ShimakazeP10C/IMG_4187_zpsxef39ovn.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/ShimakazeP10C/media/IMG_4187_zpsxef39ovn.jpg.html)
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Awesome! Glad to see everything is working out as it should.
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(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah200/ShimakazeP10C/Screen%20Shot%202017-06-09%20at%204.01.34%20PM_zpscdzsv8la.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/ShimakazeP10C/media/Screen%20Shot%202017-06-09%20at%204.01.34%20PM_zpscdzsv8la.jpg.html)
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You fired 1,000 rds through a handgun in half a day - ???.
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You fired 1,000 rds through a handgun in half a day - ???.
Yup. Standard procedure for me when I break in a new pistol. It helps to have my kids reload the mags for me.
While other retirees like to fish, I like to run drills on the range.
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You fired 1,000 rds through a handgun in half a day - ???.
Hey, that's my kind of shooter!!
I'm a little short of 1000 rounds, but no malfunctions here either. My magazine release is fine now, and the slide release is fine. I am actually liking the trigger pull, and I haven't done anything more than put in the 4# Wolff trigger pin spring.
I've caught a lot of grief in the comments in my YouTube videos about adding the Sugru and JB-Weld to my pistol. "Ugly but functional" is my response. That's what happens when one tries to make a precision shooter (at least temporarily) out of a plastic carry gun, LOL.
Joe
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You fired 1,000 rds through a handgun in half a day - ???.
Hey, that's my kind of shooter!!
I'm a little short of 1000 rounds, but no malfunctions here either. My magazine release is fine now, and the slide release is fine. I am actually liking the trigger pull, and I haven't done anything more than put in the 4# Wolff trigger pin spring.
I've caught a lot of grief in the comments in my YouTube videos about adding the Sugru and JB-Weld to my pistol. "Ugly but functional" is my response. That's what happens when one tries to make a precision shooter (at least temporarily) out of a plastic carry gun, LOL.
Joe
Joe, after watching your vids and work tuning your P10C for your needs, it is nice to see someone who understands that some custom tuning is a must to squeeze out max performance. I have seen people commenting on your youtube vids, its your pistol, not theirs. And you can do what you want with your own gear. In this day and age, the internet makes it too easy to say stuff behind a security electronic wall, I bet many would say their comments in person.
I like to shoot/train. I guess the quest to shoot and get better got ingrained in me when I was in the Army and when I worked on the street patrolling heavy crime areas. When I was single, my budget allowed me to shoot a minimum of 4000 rounds a month. Now, being retired and having a family, I have to save up to get new gear and especially ammo. So, for me nowadays, I only shoot 1K in a day to break in a new pistol, because it may be thrust into an active self-defense role.
My weekly practices involve 100 pistol, 100 carbine, and 50 12 gauge. My family does participate once a month and they go though a similar round count.
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For what it's worth, the slide release on my P10C was almost impossible to close -- even with two hands -- at first. It was almost as if somebody had applied lock-tite. But, it has since loosened up quite a bit to where I can thumb close it like most other pistols, though still a bit tight.* Planning on taking mine out for a second shooting sometime this weekend.
*Which, frankly, isn't that surprising for a CZ since they always seem to come out of the box very stiff and then loosen up nicely.
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Hey, I'm liking the jacket and hat myself...:)
I only have about 300 through my P-10C, need to get out in the garage and cast up some more bullets! Nice to see everything loosened up. I sat and watched TV while working the mag release incessantly, and it now works just fine, loaded, unloaded, open or closed, but the crunchiness in the trigger is still lingering. I figure another 200 rounds and we'll be in the ballpark. :)
Thanks for the post!
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Hey, I'm liking the jacket and hat myself...:)
I only have about 300 through my P-10C, need to get out in the garage and cast up some more bullets! Nice to see everything loosened up. I sat and watched TV while working the mag release incessantly, and it now works just fine, loaded, unloaded, open or closed, but the crunchiness in the trigger is still lingering. I figure another 200 rounds and we'll be in the ballpark. :)
Thanks for the post!
Thanks !! The sun up here in the Rockies is brutal in the summer. I have to cover up to keep from burning to a crisp. :D
I was doing the same thing to loosen up the controls. Mag changes, trigger presses, slide releases while watching John Wick. :)
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The sun up here in the Rockies is brutal in the summer.
...he says this to a guy in Southern Arizona... :o ;D ;)
What pattern is that, BTW? 8)
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Ok, you got me. :)
The pattern is ATacs, somewhat faded since I use it a lot.
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For what it's worth, the slide release on my P10C was almost impossible to close -- even with two hands -- at first. It was almost as if somebody had applied lock-tite. But, it has since loosened up quite a bit to where I can thumb close it like most other pistols, though still a bit tight.* Planning on taking mine out for a second shooting sometime this weekend.
Approximately how many rounds would you say it took before you were able to activate the slide release with your thumb?
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I finally received my P10C yesterday. My pistol was ordered via CZ's MIL/LE program. The order was accepted on Jan 23,2017 and was shipped on June 3, 2017. Here my initial impressions.
* Passes the plunk test with Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P and Underwood Ammo's 147 gr XTP +P. My CZ P07, P09, and SP 01 doesn't.
What's the "plunk test," if you don't mind me asking?
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For what it's worth, the slide release on my P10C was almost impossible to close -- even with two hands -- at first. It was almost as if somebody had applied lock-tite. But, it has since loosened up quite a bit to where I can thumb close it like most other pistols, though still a bit tight.* Planning on taking mine out for a second shooting sometime this weekend.
Approximately how many rounds would you say it took before you were able to activate the slide release with your thumb?
When I examined my P10C out of the box, I checked the slide release. It was stiff, but I could thumb the slide stop down with two thumbs. After two mags of Hirtenberger FL +P+, I could thumb the slide stop with one thumb (both sides). After my test session yesterday, the slide stop runs as it should.
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I finally received my P10C yesterday. My pistol was ordered via CZ's MIL/LE program. The order was accepted on Jan 23,2017 and was shipped on June 3, 2017. Here my initial impressions.
* Passes the plunk test with Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P and Underwood Ammo's 147 gr XTP +P. My CZ P07, P09, and SP 01 doesn't.
What's the "plunk test," if you don't mind me asking?
My older/vintage pre B CZ75s have no problem with the heavier loads touch the rifling. My SP01, P07 and P09 have.
This will explain the plunk test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACQuzJGvUIs
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For what it's worth, the slide release on my P10C was almost impossible to close -- even with two hands -- at first. It was almost as if somebody had applied lock-tite. But, it has since loosened up quite a bit to where I can thumb close it like most other pistols, though still a bit tight.* Planning on taking mine out for a second shooting sometime this weekend.
Approximately how many rounds would you say it took before you were able to activate the slide release with your thumb?
200 live rounds plus 50 unchambered closings using the release, and a lot of oil charitably applied around the release.
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When I examined my P10C out of the box, I checked the slide release. It was stiff, but I could thumb the slide stop down with two thumbs. After two mags of Hirtenberger FL +P+, I could thumb the slide stop with one thumb (both sides). After my test session yesterday, the slide stop runs as it should.
It's annoying as hell at first, but one of those things that I'm used to with CZs -- none of mine have been the same pistol at the first round and the 500th round. They have always been almost unbearably stiff at first, and then broke in nicely.
Which is to say that I can't emphasize enough before one fires any new CZ for the first time the importance of a thorough strip, scrub cleaning, and judicious oiling ("the first time out, if it ain't drippin' it probably needs more oil"). And of course a thorough strip, scrub cleaning and judicial oiling every trip out for at least the first 500 rounds -- a mere boresnake clean is doing the pistol a disservice its first few trips to the range, IMHO (I don't claim to be anything like an expert, BTW, but just giving my impression and amateur advice on what has worked well for my CZs).
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("the first time out, if it ain't drippin' it probably needs more oil").
90% of the issues reported on these forums would be solved if people followed this quote. David
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I finally received my P10C yesterday. My pistol was ordered via CZ's MIL/LE program. The order was accepted on Jan 23,2017 and was shipped on June 3, 2017. Here my initial impressions.
* Passes the plunk test with Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P and Underwood Ammo's 147 gr XTP +P. My CZ P07, P09, and SP 01 doesn't.
What's the "plunk test," if you don't mind me asking?
My older/vintage pre B CZ75s have no problem with the heavier loads touch the rifling. My SP01, P07 and P09 have.
This will explain the plunk test:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACQuzJGvUIs
Thank you.
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For what it's worth, the slide release on my P10C was almost impossible to close -- even with two hands -- at first. It was almost as if somebody had applied lock-tite. But, it has since loosened up quite a bit to where I can thumb close it like most other pistols, though still a bit tight.* Planning on taking mine out for a second shooting sometime this weekend.
Approximately how many rounds would you say it took before you were able to activate the slide release with your thumb?
200 live rounds plus 50 unchambered closings using the release, and a lot of oil charitably applied around the release.
OK, that's not bad at all.
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My P-10c was absolutely dry inside the day I got it. (Good thing we still had the FDE version for the demo that day) When I got home, I gave it a little bit of cleaning and a lot of CLP before the next day's range session. ~ 200 rounds through it so far (split 3 boxes of ammo between two pistols yesterday, so the exact split isn't known)
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My P-10c was absolutely dry inside the day I got it. (Good thing we still had the FDE version for the demo that day) When I got home, I gave it a little bit of cleaning and a lot of CLP before the next day's range session. ~ 200 rounds through it so far (split 3 boxes of ammo between two pistols yesterday, so the exact split isn't known)
Mine was also "dry out of the box", but it did have what I will call "factory residue" (a/k/a sticky gunk) on the block and in certain other areas, which was taken off by a thorough scrubbing with a toothbrush and cleaner. Then it got the judicious oiling, all before first shooting. Which of course is really no more of less than one should do with any firearm, IMHO (and arguably just common sense).
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I guess I am the anomaly then - I oil lightly every firearm, because oil out here in the desert is a dust magnet. I cleaned, wiped down and lightly oiled all bearing surfaces plus a few drops into operating "systems". Perhaps I should re-oil heavier before next range trip. :)
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My P-10C was lubed fine from the factory. I made sure there wasn't anything in the barrel or chamber and shot it as it came out of the box. And then kept shooting it for 500 rounds, I think.
Come to think of it, I cleaned the barrel on the Kadet last night in preparation for a little bullseye practice this morning. Not the frame parts.
Joe
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#3 Front sight also.
My older eyes love the CGW front fiber optic on my P-01 and P-07. Will change the front on my P-10 too!
Anybody know which front FO fits the P-10?
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I am leaning toward a FO front as well. I started a thread about P10C sights and one gentleman posted his with CZ Custom sights. A P07 FO front with a Shadow rear. He did observe that the Dawsons on his Glocks are brighter and clearer than the CZ's. I am a little confused as to what sights and whose sights are compatible with the P10C. Some say P07 and P09 front sights are the same some say no. Between CGW, CZ Custom and Dawson Precision they are all different. I would just want a FO front that is compatible with the stock rear.
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Im waiting on Dawson to make a dedicated sight set for the P10C. Fiber optic front with a serrated black rear would be grand.
I actually like the stock sights, but I wish it was made of steel.
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Whats up fellas. I emailed Truglo and Trijicon on Friday about new p10c product info. Nothing back yet but I will advise when I hear. Also emailed clinger holster and Detroit holster company. Both replied, they should have holsters out within 3 weeks.
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Thankfully mine is working great now but see this thread on Glock talk. A few things to keep an eye on. I am xshowtimex on on Glocktalk as well.
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/cz-p10c-feeding-problem-pictures.1664651/
Just passing it on.
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I guess I am the anomaly then - I oil lightly every firearm, because oil out here in the desert is a dust magnet. I cleaned, wiped down and lightly oiled all bearing surfaces plus a few drops into operating "systems". Perhaps I should re-oil heavier before next range trip. :)
I live in the desert too so I know what you mean. However, when a pistol is new, I'll go heavy with the oil at first, stick it into a sleeve immediately, and not take it out until I get to the range. After the first 500 or so rounds, I go back to normal (light) oil. It's probably unnecessary, but just something that I've gotten into the habit of doing.
The only pistol that I've ever owned where excess oil would cause a problem was my Kimber Solo, but honestly there was about 17 other things that would cause it to malfunction too (including "squeeze trigger"). It's about the right size for throwing at a perp though.
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Just got an email back from Trijicon. This is what they said.
***Thank you for your interest in Trijicon? products. Currently, we do not offer any support specific to the later CZ pistols and would refer you to one of our OEM customer https://czcustom.com/ for likely solutions. We will note your inquiry for possible future development as there have been others. Please contact us if we can assist in another capacity.
Sincerely
Eric-Technical Support
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I read your linked posting about rounds hanging up on the feed ramp when your pistol "auto forwards". When you slam a mag into the mag well with enough force to jar the slide stop/release out of the slide notch, many semi auto pistols will auto forward.
When you slam the mag home without a fully loaded magazine you can cause the weight of the rounds to compress the magazine spring some. This compression and movement upsets the positioning of the top round in the magazine and is causing the HP rounds to catch on the bottom of the feed ramp. FMJ ammo can do it also but the flat faced HP bullet profile is more likely to get stuck. You probably don't see this with a fully loaded mag as the spring in the magazine does not have the extra room to give like a partially loaded mag does.
We saw this a work last year when we switched from a P2000 to a P320. We changed our pistol quality course for a 17 round magazine. We kept the old night fire course with only 12 rounds loaded in the 17 round mag. In the stress of a timed emergency reload we see people slam mags in all the time releasing the slide. With the downloaded mag we see multiple failures to feed that we can't duplicate with a fully loaded magazine.
A long explanation for something fairly common. David
Thankfully mine is working great now but see this thread on Glock talk. A few things to keep an eye on. I am xshowtimex on on Glocktalk as well.
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/cz-p10c-feeding-problem-pictures.1664651/
Just passing it on.
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Good info. Thanks