Firing Pin Retaining Pins

[Practical Shooter]

Thanks RCG for the information.

To add:

What type of steel makes the best roll pin or FPRP? Medium carbon? My guess is high carbon steel is hard but too brittle for FPRPs and stainless and low carbon would be too soft?

I just found a post by Practical Shooter who mentioned to look for pins with Medium Carbon steel: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99464.msg767310#msg767310

I am still on the first "Carbon Steel" pin I replaced 10 month ago, and it still looks very good after 8000 rounds and as many dry fire without using snap caps nor o-rings.
Every time I clean my CZ, I inspect the replacement pin and am surprise of how well it is holding compare to the OEM.
I also inspect the firing pin for any abnormal wear, where the firing pin meet the retaining pin. all looks good.

[john seeley]

I don't think I'd have the balls to mess with the notch on the firing pin. But pretty interesting posts. Thanks.

Thanks for the update, Practical Shooter. Good news.

[john seeley]

I am still on the first "Carbon Steel" pin I replaced 10 month ago, and it still looks very good after 8000 rounds and as many dry fire without using snap caps nor o-rings.
Every time I clean my CZ, I inspect the replacement pin and am surprise of how well it is holding compare to the OEM.
I also inspect the firing pin for any abnormal wear, where the firing pin meet the retaining pin. all looks good.

The manufacturer of these Amazon pins you bought sells a med. carbon M3x20mm but not in black oxide finish and in min lots of 10,000! They can be blued, but 10,000 pieces? Maybe the extra width/thickness (1/8" vs 3mm) is the difference in making these very durable for you (besides them being med carbon) You never know. Maybe in the way they're squeezed in there.

Ref:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Z3WG0T0/

[Practical Shooter]

The extra width of the pin gets reduced when the pin is inserted onto the slide, so I don't think it would change anything.
10,000 seams a bit over board  , but you could try them.
If you want to test pins, go for it, but check them every time you clean your gun.
They are certainly many other pins capable of doing the job.

[DOC 1500]

When I got my PO 9  , Ichanged out the pins for CGW parts.
4000rnds later no prob.
JMHO, spending a few extra dollars getting my pistol parts from a reputable, well-known pistol parts manufacturer and dealer is great peace of mind and insurance.
Buying parts from a supply house that you have no idea what they're selling and may not even belong in a pistol, it's not something I would ever think of doing.
It's the pistol you're putting these Chinese Parts in this for the range more power to you, if it's a self-defense pistol good luck with that.?

[john seeley]

When I got my PO 9  , Ichanged out the pins for CGW parts.
4000rnds later no prob.
JMHO, spending a few extra dollars getting my pistol parts from a reputable, well-known pistol parts manufacturer and dealer is great peace of mind and insurance.
Buying parts from a supply house that you have no idea what they're selling and may not even belong in a pistol, it's not something I would ever think of doing.
It's the pistol you're putting these Chinese Parts in this for the range more power to you, if it's a self-defense pistol good luck with that.?

I agree that CGW parts/services are proven and reliable. I'm planning on buying a few things from them as suggested a few posts ago like pins, springs, and screws. Regarding the PFRP, I was originally wondering if better deal be found elsewhere because they seemed to need frequent replacing but not true beyond the factory one.

[DOC 1500]

When I got my PO 9  , Ichanged out the pins for CGW parts.
4000rnds later no prob.
JMHO, spending a few extra dollars getting my pistol parts from a reputable, well-known pistol parts manufacturer and dealer is great peace of mind and insurance.
Buying parts from a supply house that you have no idea what they're selling and may not even belong in a pistol, it's not something I would ever think of doing.
It's the pistol you're putting these Chinese Parts in this for the range more power to you, if it's a self-defense pistol good luck with that.?

I agree that CGW parts/services are proven and reliable. I'm planning on buying a few things from them as suggested a few posts ago like pins, springs, and screws. Regarding the PFRP, I was originally wondering if better deal be found elsewhere because they seemed to need frequent replacing but not true beyond the factory one.

I put into cgw firing pin retaining pin over four thousand rounds ago no problem.

[john seeley]

Thank you.

[blackhillsken]

My PCR wasted the double factory roll pin QUICKLY. I only dry fired it maybe 100 times and put 250 rounds through it stock before checking it and seeing the damage. Must have had a lot of factory dry fire. The trigger DID feel very good stock, but I put in the Cajun spring kit & did some polishing.

I picked these up from McMaster Carr. Only come in quantity of 250, but $19.77 delivered & taxed.

https://www.mcmaster.com/98296a965

Perfect fit. I'll never run out, that's for sure. LMAO

[john seeley]

Thanks. I only have about 2000 rounds through my PCR and still have not been detail stripped. After the next range visit, I'll do just that to clean and inspect the FPRP. Thanks for the link.

[thedude]

Maybe CZ does batch testing on these and that is why some folks have issues and some do not.  I use o-rings when dry firing just to try to cushion the impact.  According to Tim from MAC when he toured the CZ factory he said they cycle every new pistol 1,000 times.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnl3maDgo0x/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

[john seeley]

Maybe CZ does batch testing on these and that is why some folks have issues and some do not.  I use o-rings when dry firing just to try to cushion the impact.  According to Tim from MAC when he toured the CZ factory he said they cycle every new pistol 1,000 times.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnl3maDgo0x/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

Wow. Pretty interesting. Thanks. It's probably to break-in and quality test at the same time. I wonder how a new CZ would feel without this? Probably a LOT stiffer.

[Walt Sherrill]

RE: cycle every new pistol 1,000 times.

There used to be a video available that showed five or six CZs in an apparatus with all of them being cycled continuously.   

Maybe that's why some firing pin retention roll pins fail!  They've been dry-fired too much.  (Just kidding!!  I'm sure they use snap caps. )

[recoilguy]

Thanks RCG for the information.

To add:

What type of steel makes the best roll pin or FPRP? Medium carbon? My guess is high carbon steel is hard but too brittle for FPRPs and stainless and low carbon would be too soft?

I just found a post by Practical Shooter who mentioned to look for pins with Medium Carbon steel: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99464.msg767310#msg767310

Sorry I didn't get back sooner on this one I didn't follow the thread to closely. I am in the steel industry and have been for 36 years, so I know a bit about steel.

I am sure the pins are made of a hardened steel, on the c scale somewhere around 38-48. These pins are made to some industry standard (I'm sure or most places would avoid them) weather made in The USA or some other country. They exhibit a spring steel quality in that they squeeze into the hole and then hold tight. that is why they are slotted.

I will not get into a Chinese verses any other country manufacturing discussion because it is irrelevant unless you know specifics. There are some very good Chinese manufactures and some pretty shotty US ones. So I refuse to generalize.

Like I said I have a few pins laying around and have put what is the equivalent of the McMaster pins in my guns with no adverse effect. It is one of my competition guns not my self defense gun, but I pity anyone who would stand in front of my gun because my pin wasn't bought from Cajun. If you know about the part (that it may fail) and have a punch and an extra one readily available, you are good.

That's just my opinion,

RCG

[john seeley]

Thanks RCG for the information.

To add:

What type of steel makes the best roll pin or FPRP? Medium carbon? My guess is high carbon steel is hard but too brittle for FPRPs and stainless and low carbon would be too soft?

I just found a post by Practical Shooter who mentioned to look for pins with Medium Carbon steel: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99464.msg767310#msg767310

Sorry I didn't get back sooner on this one I didn't follow the thread to closely. I am in the steel industry and have been for 36 years, so I know a bit about steel.

I am sure the pins are made of a hardened steel, on the c scale somewhere around 38-48. These pins are made to some industry standard (I'm sure or most places would avoid them) weather made in The USA or some other country. They exhibit a spring steel quality in that they squeeze into the hole and then hold tight. that is why they are slotted.

I will not get into a Chinese verses any other country manufacturing discussion because it is irrelevant unless you know specifics. There are some very good Chinese manufactures and some pretty shotty US ones. So I refuse to generalize.

Like I said I have a few pins laying around and have put what is the equivalent of the McMaster pins in my guns with no adverse effect. It is one of my competition guns not my self defense gun, but I pity anyone who would stand in front of my gun because my pin wasn't bought from Cajun. If you know about the part (that it may fail) and have a punch and an extra one readily available, you are good.

That's just my opinion,

RCG

Thanks, RCG for your valuable input.