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New member with questions about rami
« on: April 21, 2019, 02:34:32 AM »
New member from Texas here.  I'm seriously looking into get a cz 2075 rami but I have some questions.  This will be my first da/sa pistol.
 From what I see on their website I can get one with a safety and no decocker, or one with a decocker and no safety.  I really wish with it had both.  Can't decide which one I need, or want.  Is there a big difference in price between the two versions?  Another question about sights.  One has night sights and the other doesn't.  I use Ameriglo iDot Pros on my other pistols but they're not available for the CZ and I'm really not fond of 3-dot sights so what aftermarket night sights are available for the rami?  Looks like the XS Sights DXT Standard Dot sight will work fine.  Last question, for now, what is the trigger like, pull weight, take up, reset, and are there any aftermarket triggers available?  Most of my other pistols have flat trigger which is what I prefer.  Sorry for all the questions but I figured this would be the place to start my research on the rami, and the nearest gun store to me is about a 3 hour drive round trip.  Thanks!
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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2019, 06:59:03 AM »
Happy Easeter and welcome to to the forum!

Are your other pistols striker fired or SAO???

You pretty much have the differences nailed, but my safety version does have 3 dot sights.  Interestingly, my best groups on target are when I ignore the dots.  Many complain about the smallish sights standard on many CZs (old eyes) but I've warmed up to them.  BTW, when I carry it, I manually decock the hammer for a no-safety (except trigger block common with both types) for a longer double action first shot.  Plenty safe enough (especially compared to most striker-fired guns that are essentially cocked and UNLOCKED).  The trade off is that the first DA shot is a longer reach, heavier pull than all subsequent shots.  Many folks don't like DA/SA period.  I'm not one of those people.  WhenI want all SA, I merely cock the hammer for the first shot.

I love CZs because they fit my hand s comfortably and generally, shoot much better that alternate "combat", SD options.  That said, my Rami, PCR, 75B trigger reset is fairly long compared to Beretta 92 variants and especially to SAO 1 911s.

Ive kept my Rami stock and shoot nice groups with it, despite a 2 finger grip with standard 10 round mags.  If you need a full grip consider the compacts, although I've read about Pierce magazine extentions.  Same issue, though, chooze between cocked and locked or DA first shot by mqnually decocking a safety version or lock your self into DA first shock with a decocker version.

If for some reason you need a decocker safety that wont fire when you pull the triggrr (hopefully not while the bad guyis getting the drop on you), then consider a Beretta compact 92, PX4 Storm SC, or a clone of CZ75 compact from Tristar/Canik imported from Turkey.

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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2019, 09:09:18 AM »
I actually just got a Rami, its the safety version not decocker so I can carry cocked and locked, I don't like the double to single action transition. Also installed a SAO trigger from Cajun Gun Works and their Pro Package. Nice crisp trigger, short reset there is some initial take up. Took me two trips to the range to get used to it, yesterday was doing double taps at 20yds 4 inch groups.
That being said I had a few Sigs that I thumbed the hammer back to shoot that first shot single action. If you  look at the Rami sub forum I have a picture of my Rami with the straight trigger.
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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2019, 10:05:18 AM »
Like most other pistols, RAMI also can use some aftermarket care to improve the action and the sights.
Cajun Gun Works or CZ Custom are two custom shops s[specializing in such "improvements".

Our of the box, RAMI has a problem with curved trigger that seems to pinch your finger during long range sessions. It also has rather distant trigger reach for those of us with small or medium size hands.

I sent my (decocker) to Cajun for a professional upgrades and the pistol came back with reach reduction kit and professional defense package resulting a single action trigger pull of 3 lbs and the double action trigger pull of 7.5 pounds. The double action trigger pull now comes really close to some striker fired pistols. Reset is also shortened.
My sights are green fiberoptic front and Custom CZ  trijicon rear night sight. These plus a modified Pearce mag extension make this the best, all around EDC pistol.

Buying RAMI is a good choice.

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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2019, 03:28:15 PM »
 Well I have a mix, Glock 26 & 27, XD Mod2 45 SC, Sig p365, Sig RCS 1911, Ruger flattop 22 revolver.  All of these have been modified to some degree.  Sights, flat triggers, spring kits to get the trigger pull down to around 5#.
Still haven't decided on safety or decock.  Only my 1911 has a safety and none have a decock.  The rami will be a carry gun and a range gun.  I have never been a big fan of carrying cocked and locked.  I know it's safe enough to do that but I personally don't like doing it.  Must be my Army training coming back to haunt me!  LOL!  If I can get the DA pull weight down to around 7# for the first shot and 5# or less for SA shots I would be very happy to carry hammer down. 


Happy Easeter and welcome to to the forum!

Are your other pistols striker fired or SAO???

You pretty much have the differences nailed, but my safety version does have 3 dot sights.  Interestingly, my best groups on target are when I ignore the dots.  Many complain about the smallish sights standard on many CZs (old eyes) but I've warmed up to them.  BTW, when I carry it, I manually decock the hammer for a no-safety (except trigger block common with both types) for a longer double action first shot.  Plenty safe enough (especially compared to most striker-fired guns that are essentially cocked and UNLOCKED).  The trade off is that the first DA shot is a longer reach, heavier pull than all subsequent shots.  Many folks don't like DA/SA period.  I'm not one of those people.  WhenI want all SA, I merely cock the hammer for the first shot.

I love CZs because they fit my hand s comfortably and generally, shoot much better that alternate "combat", SD options.  That said, my Rami, PCR, 75B trigger reset is fairly long compared to Beretta 92 variants and especially to SAO 1 911s.

Ive kept my Rami stock and shoot nice groups with it, despite a 2 finger grip with standard 10 round mags.  If you need a full grip consider the compacts, although I've read about Pierce magazine extentions.  Same issue, though, chooze between cocked and locked or DA first shot by mqnually decocking a safety version or lock your self into DA first shock with a decocker version.

If for some reason you need a decocker safety that wont fire when you pull the triggrr (hopefully not while the bad guyis getting the drop on you), then consider a Beretta compact 92, PX4 Storm SC, or a clone of CZ75 compact from Tristar/Canik imported from Turkey.

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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2019, 03:39:05 PM »
Now that's what I'm talking about!  I do have small hands so a less curved or flat trigger and the reach reduction kit sound good, and the 7.5# and 3# pull weight is great for a da/sa.  I had a Glock 30 Gen 4 for a while but the grip was just to much for my small hands.  I installed a flat trigger on it which helped a little but I ended up selling it last year.  Great pistol but it just wasn't comfortable in my small hand.  I really wish I could get my hands on one before buying but the nearest gun shop that carries CZ is about a 3 hour round trip. 


Like most other pistols, RAMI also can use some aftermarket care to improve the action and the sights.
Cajun Gun Works or CZ Custom are two custom shops s[specializing in such "improvements".

Our of the box, RAMI has a problem with curved trigger that seems to pinch your finger during long range sessions. It also has rather distant trigger reach for those of us with small or medium size hands.

I sent my (decocker) to Cajun for a professional upgrades and the pistol came back with reach reduction kit and professional defense package resulting a single action trigger pull of 3 lbs and the double action trigger pull of 7.5 pounds. The double action trigger pull now comes really close to some striker fired pistols. Reset is also shortened.
My sights are green fiberoptic front and Custom CZ  trijicon rear night sight. These plus a modified Pearce mag extension make this the best, all around EDC pistol.

Buying RAMI is a good choice.

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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2019, 03:40:17 PM »
What, and where, is the rami sub forum, and what is the SAO trigger?  No DA, only SA?


I actually just got a Rami, its the safety version not decocker so I can carry cocked and locked, I don't like the double to single action transition. Also installed a SAO trigger from Cajun Gun Works and their Pro Package. Nice crisp trigger, short reset there is some initial take up. Took me two trips to the range to get used to it, yesterday was doing double taps at 20yds 4 inch groups.
That being said I had a few Sigs that I thumbed the hammer back to shoot that first shot single action. If you  look at the Rami sub forum I have a picture of my Rami with the straight trigger.
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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2019, 06:03:32 PM »
What, and where, is the rami sub forum, and what is the SAO trigger?  No DA, only SA?


I actually just got a Rami, its the safety version not decocker so I can carry cocked and locked, I don't like the double to single action transition. Also installed a SAO trigger from Cajun Gun Works and their Pro Package. Nice crisp trigger, short reset there is some initial take up. Took me two trips to the range to get used to it, yesterday was doing double taps at 20yds 4 inch groups.
That being said I had a few Sigs that I thumbed the hammer back to shoot that first shot single action. If you  look at the Rami sub forum I have a picture of my Rami with the straight trigger.


SAO = Single Action Only  so your comment is correct, there is no DA
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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2019, 06:24:26 PM »
One of the reasons I want the rami is da/sa.  I've never had one before.  I think the pro package with the old style trigger would work best for me.  Think I might get the DB version  In all the years I've had 1911 I've never used the safety.  It was easier for me to keep the hammer in the mid position and thumb it back as I was pulling from the holster.  Easier for me than reaching around to the side and thumbing the safety off.
Did you install the parts yourself?  I wonder how difficult it is.  I have a fair amount of experience working on guns, and a lot of gunsmith tools.  Haven't been able to find any videos on disassembly on the rami yet.

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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2019, 01:01:56 PM »
I did not do the work myself had Cajun do it. Single action pull is in high 3 pound range, don't know what the double action pull would be.
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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2019, 12:01:33 PM »
I also had CGW install their kits. It was just a bit too complex and risky to do it myself, even with a decent set of tools and about 30 years experience (daily) with handguns. Let the pros handle it.

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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2019, 03:40:05 PM »
 My advise is buy the Rami and shoot several hundred rounds before you change anything CZ's are much smoother after break in.  I choose to install the CGW parts just for the reach reduction and older flatter trigger and I love the results.

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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2019, 11:23:41 PM »
Welcome!
I started out with the rami with a safety. Being left handed that became an issue when drawing quickly when concealed. I practiced and got better but got a rami with the decocker. The decocker is nice and the double action trigger is not a big dealer. My only is the effort it takes to operate the decocker. It?s not like my sig 226 but never less a great edc.

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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2019, 12:15:03 AM »
I've now got about 400 rounds through my new rami.  Love the way it shoots and the way it fits my hand.  What weight recoil springs does the rami use?  That slid is hard to rack.  Much harder than any other pistol I have.  I already know I will want to get the old style trigger and the reach reduction kit from CGW.  I would also love to swap out the sights, or at least the front sight.  I don't like 3 dot sights and front sights with white rings wash out in daylight and I have a hard time seeing them.  I usually use the iDot Pros with the orange ring or TFO's with the yellow rears.  The only ones I've found are the big dots which I don't like, or the Dawson fiber optic which isn't a night sight.

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Re: New member with questions about rami
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2019, 08:47:36 AM »
    I'm not sure of the recoil spring # for sure, I believe the stock outer is 16#. If I understand correctly the inner spring probably has more to do with racking the slide though? In either case other than thread about using a Kimber Ultra outer I haven't seen ANYTHING available. The only springs I've seen offered by any of the vendors are stock. The slide timing for a sub compact is fussy, there's not too much room to play with and maintain optimal performance.
    On the sights, I'll toss out a word of caution. My original RAMI came out of the box with a front sight that was a little off center. The pistol shot great but that's the sort of thing that would bother me (not what I paid for you know). Soooo, Dorothy went back to KS. The folks at CZ were great, I spoke with the smith about various RAMI stuff and got some opinions. Pistol came back a few weeks later. She shot wonderfully the first range trip, sight was perfectly centerer. The next day the front sight was dead. The guys in KS said to send her back, a hair line crack had occurred during installation, they drift them in. I spoke with the smith some more, got more insight into the CZ world. A few weeks later my hot little RAMI made it home, once again a 100% range trip but, yup, later that night the sight was dead. "OH MY", talk about a misaligned front sight bothering me, a dead front sight will really get me saying those "potty words" I worked SO hard to eliminate since my daughter arrived! Don't tell my wife but I said several that evening and next morning :-) When I spoke with my friends at CZ they offered to replace Dorothy this time. I needed to wait about 6 weeks for the next batch of RAMI BDs to get here but the replacement came with a dead center front sight that glows and she has been failure free in the 900 or so rounds I've run :-)
...again, on the sight, I suggest proceeding with caution.