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Offline plumber4444

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Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« on: May 17, 2019, 03:09:02 PM »
More and more I am reading from people who are looking for advice on a 9 mm or semi auto and specifically say they are not looking for a double action. I?m assuming it?s the younger generation that doesn?t know the history and doesn?t want a double action auto because it?s the best of both worlds and I can?t possibly see any reason that anybody would not want one? Keep it in the half cocked position and there is just no reason not to want to own one.

Back in my day the argument was always revolver versus semi automatic and one of the biggest debates in the world was the fact that you had to cock first or carry cocked and locked and that extra movement could be a matter of life or death and involve a thought process a revolver did not. Nothing has changed when it comes to that and it still applies today.

When double action semi?s came out it was the ?thing? and everybody but everybody wanted one. Why now so many people frown over them is beyond my wildest imagination. Any input would be nice!
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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2019, 03:20:21 PM »
The common mindset I believe is the simplicity of having 1 trigger pull weight and not having to train for 2 different trigger pulls. Especially because the first round is the heavy pull with a da/sa. Training I believe is more important than what gun you pick in my opinion but that seems to be the general reasoning

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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2019, 03:53:55 PM »
Are you referring to DAO, or DA/SA?

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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2019, 04:10:09 PM »
I didn't start shooting until I turned 60 (not to long ago)  . Wanted to learn for self defense since some crazy things were going on in the area . Started off with a striker fire SD9VE . Then upgraded to a M&P 9 2.0 , then tried a CZ P-09 poly framed hammer , and finally a SP-01 tactical . All my S&W are gone . Personally I like the metal hammer style so easy on felt recoil . My only complaint are the sights , wish they had HD colored sights for the 75 series .  I did get a Glock 34 and kept that for striker fire plinking . Easy to get parts and easy to change if need be . M&P was good just much easier to work on glocks .

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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2019, 04:36:22 PM »
Are you referring to DAO, or DA/SA?

DAO was a typo

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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2019, 04:41:21 PM »
I started out on DA revolvers and learned to shoot them very well. The transition to DA/SA semi autos was a learning curve but not an insurmountable one. After all this time and countless thousands of rounds of practice hammer fired guns are just natural to me.
I've taken a few misguided trips into striker land only to find myself cutting the trip short and heading back to the hammerville in a hurry.
I think people fall for what's trendy in firearms just like any other product on the market.

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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2019, 04:50:51 PM »
...I don't know that people so much "shy away" from DA/SA pistols as much as are "steered" in the DA/striker direction. There's fewer things to worry about, I think the typical LGS sales guy/girl will suggest something Glockesque to a new shooter for the ease of operation and maintenance.

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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2019, 06:45:09 PM »
I like them all. It's a sickness. :o

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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2019, 07:10:29 PM »
 some people said shy away from double action because they're too wimpy for the first pull of the trigger.😉
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Offline M1A4ME

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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2019, 08:03:07 PM »
I missed the safety on my Colt Combat Commander back in 82, or was it 83?  Whipped it out of the holster,  brought it up to the target and squeezed the trigger and got...nothing.  Squeezed again....nothing.  Looked at the pistol and saw the safety was still on SAFE.  Never had missed that little (stock, left side) safety before.  No internet in those days.  Got out a magazine, made a phone call and ordered a set of extended ambidextrous safeties.

Never missed a safety again between coming out of the holster and lining the sights up on the target.

Just don't have the need for a  DA trigger pull.  Cocked and locked was working long before I got my first 1911 in 1978.  Still works.  Like my old 1917 made Colt 1911.  Works just as well today as it did during WW1.  As nice as mine looks I don't think it stayed in the US Army through WW2.

That's one reason I like the P07/P09.  Ambidextrous thumb safeties.  I converted my CZ75 Compact to have/use ambidextrous thumb safeties.  I like my CZ85 and my CZ75B .40 (I was happy to find out the .40's come with ambidextrous thumb safeties.)  I bout that big old XD 5" Tactical .45 acp because it had ambidextrous thumb safeties.  I just bought an M&P 5" 9MM in FDE - with - you guessed it, ambidextrous thumb safeties.

I read/see that argument about forgetting the safety.  I wonder if there are people who forget to load their pistol before they walk out the door.  If there are people who forget to pull the pistol out of the holster if they need to.  If they forget to line the sights up on the target.  If they forget where the trigger is, or which finger to use to pull the trigger.  Or how to change magazines if things get that bad.  What else do they forget?  Do they forget to change gears when driving?  Or to hit the brakes when they need to?

I used to live in WV (miss the hell out of it, too) and we hunted ruffed grouse in/along the old strip mines and tram grades (small rail roads used when they cut the virgin timber back in the early 1900's).  If you forget the safety on a grouse you won't get a shot.  They are gone that quick.  I heard there were people who hunted with their shotgun safety in the FIRE position.  We chose not to go to the woods with people like that.  People who don't practice/handle their firearms enough to use them instinctively might not instinctively keep them pointed in a safe direction either.

I know a guy who shot himself in the left hand/forearm with a CZ he'd just unloaded.  He forgot not to point the muzzle at himself and he forgot not to pull the trigger and he forgot not to insure the chamber was empty after removing the magazine.  Is that why they put magazine safeties on some semi auto pistols? 

While all the above is true, use whatever you feel comfortable with using.  As long as you can hit what you aim at and you know when to aim it and pull the trigger, you can ride with me anytime.  You don't have to carry the same caliber/brand of gun I carry.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2019, 08:31:12 PM »
I used to live in WV (miss the hell out of it, too) and we hunted ruffed grouse in/along the old strip mines and tram grades (small rail roads used when they cut the virgin timber back in the early 1900's).  If you forget the safety on a grouse you won't get a shot.  They are gone that quick.

This made me chuckle and reminded me of a few Kansas and Dakota hunts in years past. Not much is funnier than watching a pheasant hunter forgetting to flip the safety off as a ringneck heads downrange unscathed.

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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2019, 09:06:55 PM »
I love my DA/SA handguns.
I have striker fire guns.
I have DAO guns.
I carry DA/SA - and generally the decocker variants.

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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2019, 09:58:42 PM »
I love my DA/SA handguns.
I have striker fire guns.
I have DAO guns.
I carry DA/SA - and generally the decocker variants.

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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2019, 10:40:19 PM »
What comes to mind is dealing with an external safety or a decocker.  A lot of people like the simplicity of DAO or Striker fired handguns.

Another negative is a heavy double Action Trigger.  A high number of people cannot shoot them very well.

A good number of people don?t like external safeties.  They don?t like cocked and locked. It takes extra training and experience to shoot from that condition.

Most do not like steel, alloy, or aluminum frame pistols, though there are some SA/DA varieties such as the HK 45 Compact or CZ.

I have revolvers in SA/DA, Glocks Which are strike fired, revolvers in DAO, 1911s and the FN 5.7 which are SAO, CZ which are SA/DA.


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Re: Why do so many people shy away from a double action auto?
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2019, 11:07:34 PM »
what it comes down to is that there is no one answer and will be no one answer.

people are not wired the same or think the same.  hasnt happened before, wont happen now and wont happen in the future.