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Offline Blown Nitro Pontiac

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What about the Armalite AR-24?
« on: December 05, 2010, 07:33:08 PM »
Any reviews on this pistol, or am I just looking in the wrong place?

Thanks!

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2010, 08:58:39 PM »
You are in the right place.  There are a few forum members here that have them, albeit only a few.

Basicly, the AR24 is a slightly modified Tanfoglio 9mm/.40 Frame Witness, which is in turn a slightly modifed CZ75 design.  The samples I have examined appear to be very well made of very good steel.  The Pistol is a result of a very strained partnership between Tanfoglio (Italy) and Sarsilmaz (Turkey).  So far the AR24's have a very good reputation for Accuracy, Reliability, and Durability.  What's not to like?!

Online Review, albeit a bit wordy:
http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/05/robert-farago/gun-review-armalite-ar-24-15c/

Charles Petty Review:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_4_53/ai_n27161899/
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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2010, 06:28:37 AM »
The AR/Sarsilmaz is a clone of a copy, which is to say, it is a clone of a Tanfoglio, which is a copy of a CZ.  Clone because the Sarsilmaz is based on the Tanfoglio modifications to the design, and copy because the Tanfoglio has CZ features and obviously started life as a clone of the CZ-75, but through the years, Tanfoglio made modifications and improvements to the CZ design, so much that parts do not readily interchange while overall construction is significantly different.

EAA is now importing, according to their website, Sarsilmaz pistols as well as Tanfoglio pistols.  The AR is/was a fine pistol and so far the responses, while sparse, have been generally positive.  I would own one now if they only made on on a large, 45acp frame.  That brings me to the point that sets the AR apart from the Tanfoglio.  It is a small-frame CZ copy, which is to say it will feel much more like a CZ than the Tanfoglio does.  The modern Witness has a hand-filling grip (something I'm used to as I enjoy the 45acp) whereas the AR-24 has a slightly smaller-proportioned grip because of its chambering, making it feel closer akin to a CZ-75.  However, the grip proportions will be slightly different because of the Tanfoglio roots, and so perhaps it would be closer to say the AR will feel just like an older Witness.

This is important because the AR-24 will NOT take large-frame Tanfoglio or MecGar magazines.  In any case, it is a fine pistol with that retro SIG 210 look to it.

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2010, 08:19:37 AM »
i got one after a LGS put them on sale.  wasnt really willing to pay the asking price that was almost as much as a real CZ.

the AR24 isnt a lightweight imo.  and you notice it the first time you pick it up.   i havent shot mine yet so dont know about the accuracry/function/reliability.   

SOME of my CZs and Mecgars fit, but it was a crap shoot.  also since i havent fired it yet, the function of the mags is questionable too.

if you can get one at a good price, iwould consider it.

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2010, 08:35:43 AM »
if you can get one at a good price, i would consider it.

Yes, that's why I asked. I felt that this was a good price:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=201516099

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2010, 05:24:11 PM »
In nearly every "discussion" (to put it mildly) that I've read on the AR-24, someone in the peanut gallery attempts to compare its MSRP to the actual "out the door" price on a CZ or Witness.  I have no idea why, other than to claim that the Armalite offering is "overpriced".





I paid about $425 for mine, if memory serves. Great gun.  I'm a little concerned about getting support for it in the event of failure (Armalite seems pretty unsure, itself), but figure anyone who can work on CZ or Witness can likely work on this.

I wish I had gotten the adjustable sighted model, and I wish it came with a decocker, so it matched my Sigs.

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2010, 04:13:30 PM »
I picked one up used this summer.  Got it for $349 before taxes.  Fit and finish is better than an EAA in my opinion.  Handling is great and feels just different enough from a CZ to justify itself.  My friend has been eying it since I picked it up and I'll probably let him have it.  Accuracy is similar to a CZ. 

I've had mixed results with magazines.  It has used the Baby Desert Eagle mags without an issue.  I can use the CZ mags but I have to hold some of them in as they drop out.  The ones that do lock into place don't lock the slide to the rear after the last round.  Other than the magazine issue, they are a great buy.  You can typically find them for a great deal used.

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2010, 01:26:53 AM »
  It has used the Baby Desert Eagle mags without an issue. 

Baby Desert Eagle Magazines are the same as Small Frame Witness Magazines and are the proper magazine for the AR24, as it's design was based on the Small Frame Witness.  That CZ75 Magazines will not work well in it is no surprise, but no big deal, either.
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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2010, 01:27:17 PM »
Last one on Gunbroker.com, brand new, went for $386.00.

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2010, 07:12:55 PM »
I had one last summer.  Great feel, accurate, fed and ejected everything I put in it.  My only complaint was the trigger.  It was very light.  If I applied the pressure I put on my 75, it went off. 
They are very nice guns, I just liked the feel of my 75 better.  A friend wanted it, made me an offer, and he owns it now and loves it.
I've found that growing up in the sixties was a lot more fun than being in my sixties.

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2011, 11:17:13 PM »
Just bought a brand new AR-24 full sizer today.

$425 out the door.

It's only the second new gun I've ever bought; last one being a Super Blackhawk in 1985...in stainless....for $247.

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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2011, 08:47:18 PM »
Where'd ya get it????


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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2011, 08:05:59 AM »
Enjoy your AR-24. I have one as well. I bought it new back in May 2010 for $403 out the door (it was a group deal from my LGS).

A little advice as I pointed out in this thread, the AR-24 likes 124 grain ammo, the hotter the better. It also is a very "tight" gun and the break-in period is long. I put 1200 rounds through mine before I stopped getting the occasional stovepipe or FTE. It also likes the slide rails oiled.

Magazines from the original small-frame EAA witness fit the AR-24 and perform better and cost less ($75 for three) than the factory mags (and hold an extra cartridge).

While there aren't many options for the AR-24, it's a great shooter and probably more accurate than most shooters.
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Re: What about the Armalite AR-24?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2011, 05:36:20 PM »
In the past month I have bought (2) used CZ pistols for $400.00 from individuals. Both looked brand new! I got a CZ 75B with a trip thru the CZ custom shop to polish the feed ramp and add a heavier Wolf recoil spring and a CZ 75 P01 with steel guide rod, soft case, snap caps, and 250 rounds of 9mm ammo. Since the deals are out there and the CZ support is so good, I don't know why anyone would go with the clones and take the risk?

$400 out the door with no taxes, shipping, FFL fee and extras included. All it takes is patience. I am staying CZ!

All guns are good....just some gooder than others! Good luck all!