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Offline copemech

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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2014, 12:51:32 AM »
Im taking my Ruger Mk II target for a long pistol, and 1000 rounds, :o the P01 works for a short one!

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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2014, 03:22:06 AM »
Thanks fireman, that was some pretty darn good and wonderful material!!! Think I'm just going to go for it and see what happens.

Sonospark, don't be too concerned with lumens. Yes, don't get me wrong, it is a great starting point and a base to work off of. But there are so many factors other than lumens, it can be confusing. But don't think that more lumens necessarily equals more output equally. An example would be my PD 32 at 350, and my PD 35 at 850. 2 1/4 times more luminous, yet that only plays out to about 45% brighter!!! Get yourself a Fenix PD32 and never look back while pocketing a couple hundred dollars!! Until the PD35 came out, I had the 32 on absolutely all of my weapons, and even to this day, people are still absolutely amazed at how bright that light is.

Fireman, preparing to get VERY aggravated!!! I can tell you that 90% of my problems with the P1, is that dang trigger. If I could get a straight one I would :) in other words, I think it will be well worth the aggravation when finished. As long as I don't need any specialty tools, other then, I am assuming roll pin punches and stuff like that, I'm good to go.

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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2014, 05:22:31 AM »
You will also need pin punches with flat tips in 3/32 & 1/8 as well as the starter punch David sells.

http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/1-16-1-6mm-4-10-2cm-long-sku587475062-8856-21958.aspx?sku=587475062

The pins in the hammer assembly and the trigger pin have to be hammered out.
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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2014, 07:09:26 AM »
Sonospark, don't be too concerned with lumens. Yes, don't get me wrong, it is a great starting point and a base to work off of. But there are so many factors other than lumens, it can be confusing. But don't think that more lumens necessarily equals more output equally. An example would be my PD 32 at 350, and my PD 35 at 850. 2 1/4 times more luminous, yet that only plays out to about 45% brighter!!! Get yourself a Fenix PD32 and never look back while pocketing a couple hundred dollars!! Until the PD35 came out, I had the 32 on absolutely all of my weapons, and even to this day, people are still absolutely amazed at how bright that light is.

Good point - it isn't all about the numbers... I noticed a big difference, though, stepping up to the higher output lights over, say, my Surefire G2. I usually run my lights on the medium setting (~400 lumens) and that is a good, general setting for me. It is nice to be able to get more out of it, though... really light up the night, so to speak, especially with a long throw outdoors. That old G2 has been long since relegated to standby duty LOL
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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2014, 10:03:44 AM »
WHAT you bring is going to be determined by WHERE you are going and HOW you'll get there. :-\

I totally agree and envy our hard working farmers that will have a big leg up on the rest of us. A tight knit farm community could dig in and stand together to defend what they have worked so hard for, unless of course the government decides they need to confiscate their crops "for the greater good". On second thought we're all screwed  ;D
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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2014, 12:44:07 PM »
2nd thoughts ?. The one that 'feels' right probably is the one that IS right for you - given that all the options you mention are CZs and all are reliable. That being said ? the one that won't fail you is the one you leave behind. Plan for failure. Have some extra parts. Learn how to replace parts.  If mayhem broke out in town and you had to leave, take them all and as much ammo as you have and cache the surplus in 5 gallon pails perhaps already buried within reach of a tank of gas along with a water filter, some power bars, an extra knife, cordage, an extra pair of glasses if you wear them, first aid and pain killer for that tooth you put off having crowned, fresh socks, a light weight gortex jacket a flashlight and some bics. Unless its winter and you need shelter ? water is your primary concern in a survival situation. Have a plan. There are so many other considerations in a survival situation than which CZ do I take. Consider yourself lucky to have any of them along for the ride.
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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2014, 02:28:04 PM »
Just got my CZ Compact.  Love it.  Love the "feel" of it much better than the P01.  It DOES in fact fit my short, chubby hand and fingers better, if for ANY reason, the trigger is much less pointy, which makes it easier to shoot.  It will be my daily carry gun. 

Now, with that said, if a crisis happens, a SHTF big time break down, all out war kind of thing, I am going to have a choice as to which gun I will carry personally.  I know, I know, everyone is going to say whichever gun YOU shoot better with.  Now let's overlook that for the moment.  Let's assume I can shoot them ALL equally well, which I can and do. Which should I choose based solely on likeliness to fail?

We are talking about my options being a CZ75B, CZ75 Compact or CZ P01.  I bought the P01 based on the NATO rating alone.  It WAS very impressive after all, you have to admit.  Still, was any of my other CZ guns ever subjected to such torture?  That I do not know, they may have passed as well.  And the P01 WAS based off of the already famous CZ75.

But back to my question, if I had to grab ONE gun and go, all things being equal to shooting them all with the same proficiency, which one is more likely not to jam, break, bust or go bump in the night???

I am leaning towards the P01.  But with that said, I honestly do not know.  I am not talking preferences here, just pure, 100% unadulterated mechanics ONLY.  Which one will not fail me for many, many moons?

Thanks ahead of time.  In all fairness, I am posting this in the CZ compact forum also.

I used to think I would take my Sig 226 MK25 even though it is 9mm because I believe lots of bullets and exact bullet placement is more important than stopping power of a large caliber.
I simply shot that gun the best but then came along the CZ 75B in Stainless. I am equally proficient in both now. So, I would take them both along with the many mags I have for both.
But most likely I will have a cache of both 9mm and 45 scattered around and well, you can never have too many guns or too much ammo.
I also used to think that the terrible would never happen but now .....I am not so sure; Ebola, gangs, illegals, pseudo-religious terrorists, and our own local police are now loaded like special forces and swat teams of years past. It all makes you wonder where we are headed. My mottoes have always been ..."Be Prepared, have a plan, and get organized."

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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2014, 03:00:03 PM »
you can never have too many guns or too much ammo.

Except when you're drowning or on fire  :o
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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2014, 05:57:47 PM »
you can never have too many guns or too much ammo.

Except when you're drowning or on fire  :o

Ha, Now that's a truth for sure!!!!

Are you expecting a flood of Biblical proportions? Something we should know?

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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2014, 06:12:40 AM »
Except when you're drowning or on fire  :o

Ouch!
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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2014, 02:08:48 AM »
You will also need pin punches with flat tips in 3/32 & 1/8 as well as the starter punch David sells.

http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/1-16-1-6mm-4-10-2cm-long-sku587475062-8856-21958.aspx?sku=587475062

The pins in the hammer assembly and the trigger pin have to be hammered out.

This is the reason why I like Glock. Almost all of the maintenance can be done with a pen or nail; no hammers, no roll pins to deal with. God forbid you ever lose one of the small springs in your CZ. Heck, I can have a Glock completely detail stripped, except for the sights, in under 2 minutes; maybe close to 1 minute with extra practice. Also, many/most of the spare parts cost less than the postage they are sent with.

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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2014, 02:51:46 AM »
That feature is excellent for pistol maintenance.

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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2014, 04:29:48 AM »

You will also need pin punches with flat tips in 3/32 & 1/8 as well as the starter punch David sells.

http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/1-16-1-6mm-4-10-2cm-long-sku587475062-8856-21958.aspx?sku=587475062

The pins in the hammer assembly and the trigger pin have to be hammered out.

This is the reason why I like Glock. Almost all of the maintenance can be done with a pen or nail; no hammers, no roll pins to deal with. God forbid you ever lose one of the small springs in your CZ. Heck, I can have a Glock completely detail stripped, except for the sights, in under 2 minutes; maybe close to 1 minute with extra practice. Also, many/most of the spare parts cost less than the postage they are sent with.

That's maybe the only advantage of GLOCK ;D ::)
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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2014, 04:52:14 AM »
When I go to the gun show in WPB, there are usually one to two booths dedicated to Glock modifications; and there are a heck of a lot more Glock owners.

I'll take a CZ over a Glock anytime.
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Re: OK. Serious question for those brave enough to answer :)
« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2014, 12:11:47 PM »
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Now, with that said, if a crisis happens, a SHTF big time break down, all out war kind of thing

The SPO1 due to mag. capacity, stability and "weight as another weapon".  Optionally,  with 23rds/mag using the CZC short extended mag option,  and it's reliable.

I have a very good holster to carry the SP-01 and I shoot it better then I should be able too. More bullets and if my life depended on it I would want that gun to be the one in my hand. The P-01 would be a close second and at one time would have been my go to gun. Not any more. If I were going to have to take 100 yard shots I would swap out for a long gun and if some one was shooting at me from 100 yards with a handgun, I wouldn't shoot back I move and hide.

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