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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #105 on: December 16, 2016, 03:35:01 PM »
My local gun store guy says when the arrive I can get one for $479. My local Acadamy has a G19 from $569. Almost $100 makes that a diff price point for me.
Not bad. I'm checking with my two LGS to see when/how much. They run their 19s for $550 so very curious


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Def not bad, same store sold me my P09 Urban Grey for $600. They have a SP01 Urban Grey, but at MSRP. CZ's are very pretty rare around here depending on the model. I had Acadamy track down a P09 in UG for $599 but they jerked me around for weeks and wanted to charge me to transfer from store to store; needless to say that guns is still on their shelf. They have a SP01 Urban Grey, but at MSRP. CZ's are very pretty rare around here depending on the model.

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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #106 on: December 17, 2016, 08:24:13 AM »
My local gun store guy says when the arrive I can get one for $479. My local Acadamy has a G19 from $569. Almost $100 makes that a diff price point for me.
Not bad. I'm checking with my two LGS to see when/how much. They run their 19s for $550 so very curious


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Def not bad, same store sold me my P09 Urban Grey for $600. They have a SP01 Urban Grey, but at MSRP. CZ's are very pretty rare around here depending on the model. I had Acadamy track down a P09 in UG for $599 but they jerked me around for weeks and wanted to charge me to transfer from store to store; needless to say that guns is still on their shelf. They have a SP01 Urban Grey, but at MSRP. CZ's are very pretty rare around here depending on the model.
Same. Gander Mtn has a few in shop but right at MSRP, if not more. One LGS says they doubt they'll get any as they rarely carry CZ but my go to LGS can backorder an FDE model for $475 when they come out. May take him up on that


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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #107 on: December 17, 2016, 10:41:28 AM »
My local gun store guy says when the arrive I can get one for $479. My local Acadamy has a G19 from $569. Almost $100 makes that a diff price point for me.
Not bad. I'm checking with my two LGS to see when/how much. They run their 19s for $550 so very curious


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Def not bad, same store sold me my P09 Urban Grey for $600. They have a SP01 Urban Grey, but at MSRP. CZ's are very pretty rare around here depending on the model. I had Acadamy track down a P09 in UG for $599 but they jerked me around for weeks and wanted to charge me to transfer from store to store; needless to say that guns is still on their shelf. They have a SP01 Urban Grey, but at MSRP. CZ's are very pretty rare around here depending on the model.
Same. Gander Mtn has a few in shop but right at MSRP, if not more. One LGS says they doubt they'll get any as they rarely carry CZ but my go to LGS can backorder an FDE model for $475 when they come out. May take him up on that


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I got my P09 for $375 new from my LGS. I took that price to my local Gander and they didn't believe me. It was fantastic.

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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #108 on: December 19, 2016, 01:42:30 AM »
Did I see or hear this as correct? The slide will lock back after the last round is fired, you hit the mag release, mag drops, you insert a new mag and when the new mag locks, the slide release automatically releases and a round is chambered. No having to push the slide release or do the overhand pull release. The act of locking in a fresh mag releases the slide lock.

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Re: Something is coming...
« Reply #109 on: December 19, 2016, 05:16:53 AM »
https://youtu.be/h-ptLPmSdL4


Well, of course, MAC is selling these Glock clones to the public, so no wonder they're hawking them in the video.

I hate it.

Barf.

If I wanted a Glock / striker, I would have bought a Glock / striker pistol. But I hate Glocks / strikers.

I would buy a P-07, probably the only plastic gun I would buy, but I'd rather have a CZ75 or a Rami.

I can see why this is in the "general" gun forum, because this is not a CZ.

I guess people who buy these will realize their folly when the get a hard primer or a misfire and they can't just squeeze the trigger DA to get it running again.
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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #110 on: December 19, 2016, 10:10:51 AM »
I won't believe any of this until the Hickok45 review comes out !!

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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #111 on: December 19, 2016, 10:13:44 AM »
Did I hear this as correct? ...you insert a new mag and... the slide release automatically releases and a round is chambered.

Yes, you heard that correctly.  It's typically referred to as auto-forward.

The way you described it -- "When the new mag locks..." sort of suggests there's a mechanism designed to cause this.  That's not quite what's happening.  Here's how the slide stop is supposed to work:

If you will look at one of your magazines empty, you will see a notch in the front left "nose" of the follower.  That notch lines up with the slide release.  That notch allows the follower to get high enough that the last bullet in the mag is high enough to get caught be the slide and driven forward into the chamber without the follower pushing up on the slide stop.  Once the last bullet is out of the mag, the next time the pistol is fired, the follower will be high enough to push up the slide stop, and that is what locks the slide back. 

Now, with pistols that will auto forward, the loaded magazine is interacting with the slide stop with a little bit of violence and knocking it out of engagement. It typically requires significant force to produce the effect.  My CZ P-09 and HK VP9 do it easily enough that driving the mag home deliberately and firmly with moderate force will auto-forward the slide every time.  All the other semi-automatic pistols I own, including a CZ-75 Shadow Line, require me to really slam the mag home harder than what I am comfortable doing.  When I use the VP9 (current competition gun)  in competition under the clock, I auto-forward every reload from slide lock.  When I have used the 75 Shadow Line in competition (it's been a while), I rack the slide manually.

Just because you see a reviewer say the P-10 does this doesn't mean it's a designed feature, nor does it mean that all samples will auto-forward easily.   I haven't seen CZ promote it as a feature (which doesn't mean they haven't), and unless I see CZ promoting it, I won't assume my samples of the P-10 will auto-forward easily until I get them in hand and check them.  I hope they do, but I won't complain they're not working right if they don't.  ;)

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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #112 on: December 19, 2016, 10:14:48 AM »
I won't believe any of this until the Hickok45 review comes out !!

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He'll do what he always does.  He'll tell you how good the pistol is, then tell you how much he likes his Glocks.  O0

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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #113 on: December 19, 2016, 02:37:49 PM »
He'll do what he always does.  He'll tell you how good the pistol is, then tell you how much he likes his Glocks.  O0

Yup!  Pretty much that!  ::)
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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #114 on: December 20, 2016, 12:36:41 AM »
Did I see or hear this as correct? The slide will lock back after the last round is fired, you hit the mag release, mag drops, you insert a new mag and when the new mag locks, the slide release automatically releases and a round is chambered. No having to push the slide release or do the overhand pull release. The act of locking in a fresh mag releases the slide lock.

It will be interesting to see if this is a design feature. The slide on a Mauser HSc is only released by inserting a magazine (full or empty, either works).
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Re: Something is coming...
« Reply #115 on: December 20, 2016, 04:08:51 AM »

I hate it.

Barf.

If I wanted a Glock / striker, I would have bought a Glock / striker pistol. But I hate Glocks / strikers.

I would buy a P-07, probably the only plastic gun I would buy, but I'd rather have a CZ75 or a Rami.

I can see why this is in the "general" gun forum, because this is not a CZ.

I guess people who buy these will realize their folly when the get a hard primer or a misfire and they can't just squeeze the trigger DA to get it running again.
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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #116 on: December 20, 2016, 04:35:25 AM »
more info:

  http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/12/jeremy-s/gun-review-cz-p-10-c/

Wow. This guy really likes the P10C - says its better than a Glock 19 in every way. Maybe I was wrong... Time and market share will tell. The Glock is the gun of preference for SF warriors and that is a selling point that will be hard to overcome.

Yeah, when I heard that I thought "what a DA, you just got this pistol, it's a pre-production, its got NO military or LE or street credentials, NO long term reliability test yet, NO known or publicized torture test and you say it's better than the G19 in EVERY WAY - how long has the G19 been in production?"

Not saying anything bad about this P-10 but come on man. It's got a lot to prove before it can be called "better than the G19 in every way".

I hope it does well. As long as the first reports are good I'm getting a FDE model but I sure as Hell am not getting rid of my G19.

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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #117 on: December 20, 2016, 04:53:08 AM »


Just because you see a reviewer say the P-10 does this doesn't mean it's a designed feature, nor does it mean that all samples will auto-forward easily.   I haven't seen CZ promote it as a feature (which doesn't mean they haven't), and unless I see CZ promoting it, I won't assume my samples of the P-10 will auto-forward easily until I get them in hand and check them.  I hope they do, but I won't complain they're not working right if they don't.  ;)
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Good point. The video is the first time I've heard anyone describe this effect as an intentional design feature. Makes mewonder about other claims he made in the video...
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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #118 on: December 20, 2016, 06:29:18 AM »
I have an older Bersa Thunder .380. Mine auto forwards, or as I like to call it a tactical reload, but It didn't always do it. It bothered me at first, but then I saw people saying it was a design feature, which I don't believe, but I have moved on.

I'm going to guess that not being a production model it does the above.

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Re: The CZ P-10 is here, with video
« Reply #119 on: December 20, 2016, 02:22:56 PM »
Most of my CZs "auto-forward." I have a Les Baer 1911 in .45 that wouldn't do it, so a buddy of mine filed on the slide stop to make it do it. I'm not sure if my SIGs auto-forward or not - I haven't shot a SIG in competition since I bought my first CZ.

My Sphinxes auto-forward, but for some strange reason when I make it happen in a match it won't chamber a round about half the time, even though it always works fine on the practice range - strange.

My Glock 19 auto-forwards well too.
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