P-01 Omega Safety Concern?

[supergunner84]

Hey everyone,

Feel like I'm watching a daytime soap, so much drama

I didn't intend this to be such a contentious post, simply wanted to discuss my experience with the Omega to help others that have had the issue. My apologies if any of my posts came off harsh, it wasn't the intent.

Del, please let everyone know how czub responds.   

I don't hold any fault to to CZ or the repair guys at CZ-USA.  The CZ-USA guys are trying their best to remedy everyone's issues.  The folks over in Czechia may not even know of the issue (lost in translation maybe).

If yall want my opinion on anything, feel free to ask.  It is what the forum is for! I'll make another video when I get some time to show everyone how to fully strip the P-01 Omega (knowledge is power).

In the mean time, keep calm and CZ on

Cheers,
SG

[Chicago Dude]

If you want a "new" P01, as in new in the box and you were going to run the decocker anyway then the standard P01 is set up that way already - with no issues.

If you want the Omega version then be on the lookout for one with 16 stamped into the slide in front of the ejection port, not 17.  There's probably still some out there.  I still sometimes see new DUTY model P07's and they haven't made them for what?  5 years or so, maybe 6 years.

If you've already got a "17" P01 Omega, sorry, I hope they get it figured out and fixed soon.

Good point. As always, your post is spot on.
Thank you !
They may think I am crazy when I start asking them about #16 stamped on the gun  , but who cares ? I am the customer, who knows what he wants  (crazy or not).

[del4c]

I just got done sending to ( CZUB Czech directly) a pretty lengthy description of our concerns with this model.  I indicated what was happening, referenced videos and links to this thread/posts.

I mentioned in a very pleasant matter that we as forum members and owners of this weapon that we cannot trust this platform the way it stands at the present.

I will inform everyone as soon as I get any response - hopefully something?

Best to all,

DEL

[Lawikfors]

I just got done sending to ( CZUB Czech directly) a pretty lengthy description of our concerns with this model.  I indicated what was happening, referenced videos and links to this thread/posts.

I mentioned in a very pleasant matter that we as forum members and owners of this weapon that we cannot trust this platform the way it stands at the present.

I will inform everyone as soon as I get any response - hopefully something?

Best to all,

DEL

bleep, good job man !


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[twowheels]

SG that was a thoughtful most recent post.

IMO, it's not unusual to have to do some tuning to a gun to get it to run its best.  My p 01 omega (in which I installed a full CGW kit before I shot it) has never had a failure in approximately a thousand rounds.  I continue to shoot and love it.  I run it with safeties.  As reflected earlier in this thread, I was able to get the left side safety to fall out by locking open the slide, tilting it to the left and pushing up on the ejector.  Consequently, I dimpled the right side safety to form a tighter connection to the left side safety shaft and the safety can't fall out any more.  Easy fix. Problem solved.  I'd carry it in a heartbeat without a worry in the world about the pistol's reliability.

We know SG had a failure at the range.  Has anyone else had one?  I'm curious. 

BTW, mine is a 2016 gun.

[Tanners Owner]

I?ve had over 1000 rds in mine, no problems

[M1A4ME]

I got to wondering about something else this morning, so I dug the decocking levers out of the UG P01 case to look at closer.

You can see where the black finish is worn off the right end of the left side decocker shaft when it was fitted to the right side lever.  Nice and shiny and you can see either file marks or stone marks.  No refinish after the metal removal.

If I insert the left side decocker lever shaft into the right side decocker lever and then turn the shaft vertical with the left side decocker down - and then shake it, the left side decocker lever/shaft will fall right out of the right side decocker lever.  I mean, it's loose. 

In the pistol frame it will not fall out if I turn the frame so that the decocker shaft is vertical, push the ejector downwards to release the shaft and then shake the snot out of the pistol.  I have to push on the end of the shaft with something to get it to start to move, then I can pull it out from the left side.

I'm supposing, for the safeties, the force of the detent and spring (in/on the left side safety) pushing against the frame, helps keep the safety/shaft in the pistol when turned on it's left side, the ejector pushed downwards to get it out of the notch.  Don't know, but it stays in place, too, and seems to require a harder "push" to get it started moving out.  But I have not removed the safeties from the frame, put them together (like I did the decocking levers) turned them up and shook them to see if they fall apart.

I've fit two of these styles of safeties for a couple of my pistols.   Fitting means metal removal from the left side shaft so that it will fit into the right side lever.  I can't say how loose/sloppy the fits might be, I never did the same test on them I did on the P01 decocking levers.

[supergunner84]

We know SG had a failure at the range.  Has anyone else had one?  I'm curious. 

BTW, mine is a 2016 gun.

Top of the morning all,

I'll keep with the basics.
Failure mode: When the slide is locked back, or cycling (removing any tension from the trigger bar) and the ejector is pushed out of battery, the decocker will begin to walk free.  If safties are installed, the safties will drop free.

Bounding the problem: Thus far, it only occurs on firearms that are 2017 production (less the last post from twowheels stating he can manually cause the issue with safties installed on a 2016 version.)

Official Resolution: CZ has been replacing the decocker spring with a P-07/09 decocker spring. Does not address the safeties.

Other resolutions: Dimpling the interface between the left and right hand levers to create interference.

People that have experienced the issue:

• guns.com review of the P-01 Omega, last paragraph of field testing
• supergunner84 - FTE that cause mechanical disassembly. After dimpling, 600 rounds in and no failures
• Muggins - Failure during standard firing
• Muggins - After CZ repair, Failure after 3 shots.  I believe they dimpled after this
• rkubatak21 - Standard Firing
• rkubatak21 (replacement gun, maunually verified)
• lawikfors - youtube video
• GypsyDanger - Manually verified
• del4c - Manually verified
• Justcuz - Manually verified
• Good friend of mine - Manually verified
• twowheels - able to maunally drop safeties free, only 2016 version

Cheers all,
supergunner84

[GypsyDanger]

SG,

Thank you for continuing this thread, and thank you to all who gave us input during the first round of data collection and quantification.

To all owners exhibiting this issue, please try to hold onto your firearm and chose another weapon to CC for now. Resist the temptation to sell it, as the weapon's issue could surface during a future buyer's DGE. CZ-USA still has no apparent update on this issue, but SG's fix might do the trick.

Recently, I took it to the range and was surprised to see that the issue resurfaced when a Federal HST did not fully clear the feed ramp upon feeding. It seems that a failure to eject might not be the only obstruction that can easily depress the ejector. Now, collecting dust seems to be the only thing this pistol is good at doing.

I will try to contact CZ-USA for a standard P-01 or PCR replacement. If the warranty dept. accepts the claim, I will update you all so that you might be able to do so yourselves.

Regards,
Gypsy

[rkubatk21]

SG,

Thank you for continuing this thread, and thank you to all who gave us input during the first round of data collection and quantification.

To all owners exhibiting this issue, please try to hold onto your firearm and chose another weapon to CC for now. Resist the temptation to sell it, as the weapon's issue could surface during a future buyer's DGE. CZ-USA still has no apparent update on this issue, but SG's fix might do the trick.

Recently, I took it to the range and was surprised to see that the issue resurfaced when a Federal HST did not fully clear the feed ramp upon feeding. It seems that a failure to eject might not be the only obstruction that can easily depress the ejector. Now, collecting dust seems to be the only thing this pistol is good at doing.

I will try to contact CZ-USA for a standard P-01 or PCR replacement. If the warranty dept. accepts the claim, I will update you all so that you might be able to do so yourselves.

Regards,
Gypsy

After you had a P07 replacement spring installed/Dimpled the lever???

[GypsyDanger]

SG,

Thank you for continuing this thread, and thank you to all who gave us input during the first round of data collection and quantification.

To all owners exhibiting this issue, please try to hold onto your firearm and chose another weapon to CC for now. Resist the temptation to sell it, as the weapon's issue could surface during a future buyer's DGE. CZ-USA still has no apparent update on this issue, but SG's fix might do the trick.

Recently, I took it to the range and was surprised to see that the issue resurfaced when a Federal HST did not fully clear the feed ramp upon feeding. It seems that a failure to eject might not be the only obstruction that can easily depress the ejector. Now, collecting dust seems to be the only thing this pistol is good at doing.

I will try to contact CZ-USA for a standard P-01 or PCR replacement. If the warranty dept. accepts the claim, I will update you all so that you might be able to do so yourselves.

Regards,
Gypsy

After you had a P07 replacement spring installed/Dimpled the lever???

P07 spring but no dimpled lever. Did not want to invalidate the warranty.

[rkubatk21]

SG,

Thank you for continuing this thread, and thank you to all who gave us input during the first round of data collection and quantification.

To all owners exhibiting this issue, please try to hold onto your firearm and chose another weapon to CC for now. Resist the temptation to sell it, as the weapon's issue could surface during a future buyer's DGE. CZ-USA still has no apparent update on this issue, but SG's fix might do the trick.

Recently, I took it to the range and was surprised to see that the issue resurfaced when a Federal HST did not fully clear the feed ramp upon feeding. It seems that a failure to eject might not be the only obstruction that can easily depress the ejector. Now, collecting dust seems to be the only thing this pistol is good at doing.

I will try to contact CZ-USA for a standard P-01 or PCR replacement. If the warranty dept. accepts the claim, I will update you all so that you might be able to do so yourselves.

Regards,
Gypsy

After you had a P07 replacement spring installed/Dimpled the lever???

P07 spring but no dimpled lever. Did not want to invalidate the warranty.

Ugh *facepalm* Can you manually replicate it when you push down on the extractor? I havent shot mine yet, I actually bought a used P01 today and took it out to the range.

[M1A4ME]

This issue is with the Omega P01's, not the standard P01's.  Is yours an Omega?

[rkubatk21]

I?ve had over 1000 rds in mine, no problems

2017 Omega compact? No issues when you  press on the ejector?

[rkubatk21]

This issue is with the Omega P01's, not the standard P01's.  Is yours an Omega?

I have an omega that I sent in and they sent me a replacement with the same issue which they recently put a P07 spring in it. I bought a used P01 since it?s a more reliable system. But now Gypsy said even after the replacement of the ejector spring with a P07 spring which was their ?fix? the issue has reoccurred?