The P07/09 trigger - leaving a lot to be desired.

[GRU7_Mike]

What is wrong with your CZ pistol?..................I N D I V I D U A L >>T A S T E in most cases!!  I have done my share of complaints about guns, but seems like there are to many people listening to other complaints and grouping them into what they PERCEIVE as a problem with their CZ firearm.  Custom this and custom that to make the "unicorn of all guns" happen to your CZ is what is wrong with many of them.  My problem with CZ Custom and CGW is not the work they do, it it the lack of telling people to go out and shoot the crap out of your CZ before you think about what you need ....NEED the key word, to have a reliable firearm for EDC.  If you think a 1 pound difference in the double action of a DA/SA pistol makes all the difference in a self defense scenario...well I lost you with common sense before the post began.   Now saying that, people buying a CZ, like a P-07 or 09 and expecting an out of the box, high grade, match ready, firearm ...well it ain't going to be one!!  These people go right ahead and spend $600-$800 to make it a Dan Wesson like competition firearm if that is your desired final result.  Sending the firearm back to CZ is going to give you OEM parts replacement and in 100% of the cases, will not give the result professional custom work like CZ Custom and CGW will give you.  These companies do have their stuff together and their  CUSTOM work is outstanding.  I have owned many pistols in my almost 70 years and I have seen a new POS turn into a great firearm by just shooting it.  Some people cringe at the words " breaking a firearm in" but there is no custom work that can smooth out the little wrinkles in a new firearm intending for EDC like shooting it.  After that, some buffing and tweaking like many posts describe, then part replacement as the last resort.

[s0nspark]

Some people cringe ant the words " breaking a firearm in" but there is no custom work that can smooth out the little wrinkles in a new firearm intending for EDC like shooting it.  After that, some buffing and tweaking like many posts describe, then part replacement as the last resort.

Good points.

I am in the ?no polish? camp with regard to guns I carry. I do upgrade parts and then shoot a minimum of 400 trouble-free rounds through it before I carry it but I do no polishing. I prefer to let the parts wear in naturally.

For competition guns, though, all bets are off. Any advantage is on the table.

Having realistic expectations and, yes, a clear understanding of what you need out of a gun based on how you will use it is important.

[K31Scout]

+1
Thank You M1A4ME, s0nspark, and others for putting this discussion into perspective.

Thanks from me too.  Every youtube and forum review of the P-07 that I've read has been very favorable until I ran across this thread.  I think I can put the P07 back on the short list and will start looking for one locally.

[briang2ad]

Find an SP 2022 with a trigger that isn?t smooth and report back please.

If we don?t call out CZ on QC who will? Maybe they listen. I?M just saying they can do better even at the price point.

I?m not talking preference- just QC.

I have my 2 P07s cuz their good. I may order a P09. So, I have SOME confidence.  I also always post the positive with the negative.  My first auto was a CZ and I have a special place for my CZs.  But I like to call them as they are.

[Vinny]

OK - here we go. it is butter now.

I suspected I put the backstrap retaining pin in for the trigger pin - ouch - and I was right.

I disassembled and this time, POLISHED the roller.  THIS IS EASY.  Take a thin brass punch and place the roller on the punch.  Block one end with your finger.  Take a felt wheel with a tad of Flitz on it and polish the snot out of it.  (My roller is .214).  The roller will come out gleaming and smooth with no imperfections. 

I had a CGW SRT kit on hand, so I put the parts in to see what that would be like.

My DA is amazing - glass like over butter and even.  WOW. Reset is a tad shorter and there is a bit less camming - this is an effect of the SR Kit.  Now it is sweet. 

Thank You Brian2ad for letting us know the cause of much of your trigger issue in your OP, was a pin you installed wrong. Appreciate your honesty.

This is why I agree with others that before changing ANYTHING I prefer to shoot/dry fire at least a thousand rounds, which IMO is just initial break-in on CZ's that can go 10's of thousands of rounds.  For DEFENSIVE guns, unless there's known issues, I prefer to just keep the internals stock; giving the factory the benefit of the doubt that they know a whole lot more than I do, and they've prioritized long-term reliability. It's surprising how most issues seem to just smooth out.

If for some reason they don't, I haven't made changes that would effect my Warranty.

BTW, I recently had a SIG that the trigger wouldn't reset whatsoever right out of the box. Dead on arrival! They couldn't have even test fired this gun. Sure, they took care of it promptly, but the assertion that SIG doesn't have issues like every factory, especially on new models; is simply false or wishful thinking.

I'm glad that we can discuss and share SOLUTIONS on this Forum, and not just complaints.
Thanks,  Vinny

[briang2ad]

Yet another tip:  my roller bearings are both .214.  Called CGW- all I can do is polish them, so they I did.  They do not recommend replacement unless it?s closer to their .220 bearing folks.

Stick it on a brass punch and put a felt wheel to it.  Does fairly well.

[M1A4ME]

I don't own a SIG pistol (almost, looked at them, found out none of those levers and buttons on the left side are safeties and they couldn't be carried cocked and locked so I walked a few tables down and bought that P07.)

I do own a couple SIG rifles.  And those will be all I'll own.  SIG is by rifles like S&W is by pistols.   Every 3 or 4 years they up and change design/models and go to the next best/new/sweet thing.  Then do it again a few years later.  I've got a 556R (what they call a 2nd Gen model) and it's been a pretty good rifle.  Then they quit making it and stopped supporting it with spare parts and went to the 55Xi (or something like that).  I almost bought my wife one in .223 but then they stopped making that one and went to the MPX.  How long will they make the MPX?  Okay, I'll stop complaining about SIG and their inability to design/build/stick with a rifle for a few years.

My P09 target after I had the RMR installed on it.  Only 7 yds., or 7.5 yds. and the pistol was rested (my wrists actually), but I was trying to make sure it was sighted in.

I shot at the center and got three shots a little high/left.  I made an adjustment to the RMR and decided to shoot at the target company logo in the bottom right of the paper.  I put the next 7 shots on the logo in a nice group.  That P09 shoots pretty darn good and had a good trigger, too.  My wife keeps telling me how lucky I am (but I don't think she's talking about my guns).



Check out Joe's videos on You Tube for 100 and 200 yd. groups with his 9MM P09.  Part of the reason I bought my P09 when I did.

[Vinny]

Nice shooting.
Yeah, Joe's videos at 100-200 yards with his P-09 are AMAZING!  An inspiration for sure, and testimony to the inherent accuracy of the P-07 and P-09 series guns. My 'ol eyes can't even see the bull's eye at those distances, never mind shooting it, so plenty accurate for me.

The P-07 and P-09 are ideal for adding an RDS with their wider top of slide, and the Suppressor-Ready threaded barrel models are reasonably priced if you're planning to add a comp, it's already good-to-go. I'm having a P-07 SR milled at Primary right now, and the slide cerakoted titanium at the same time.  All-in with P-07 SR, Vortex Venom RDS, milling, Talon grip and cerakoting about $850.  I can't wait to shoot that first 1,000 rounds to break that trigger in!

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Find an SP 2022 with a trigger that isn?t smooth and report back please.

If we don?t call out CZ on QC who will? Maybe they listen. I?M just saying they can do better even at the price point.

I?m not talking preference- just QC.

So have you been on the Sig forum calling them out on the issues their guns have?

[briang2ad]

Yup.  Called out German SIGS with rough triggers.

But let?s not let the Glockboys look good now. 😎

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Yup.  Called out German SIGS with rough triggers.

But let?s not let the Glockboys look good now. 😎

They have their issues too even with the gen 5 guns. Which is the point completely. They ALL have QC issues. Even Bill Wilson let's a ringer slip by now and then.

[robert1804]

My stock P07 has a good trigger and my stock P09 has an excellent trigger. Took the P09 and my 75B compact to the range today. The 75B compact is fairly new and its trigger is ok and getting better with use. I was shooting some 2" target dots at 7 yards offhand and did better with the P09. Then I tried a rental S&W Model 69 with the 2.75" barrel. Fired 50 rounds each of 44 spc. and 44 magnum. Then went back to the CZ's and was shooting much better. The slightly stiff single action trigger of the 75B Compact was not a "problem" after 100 rounds through that little 44 Magnum.

If you're having the flinches and/or dealing with a "sub-optimal" trigger, try a small-ish magnum revolver. A 5 lb. single action break on a 9mm is nothing after that.

[GRU7_Mike]

My wife can not hit a barn @10 feet with any of my semi auto pistols....but when we shoot her .32 Mag revolver she shoots rings around me.  That Charter Arms trigger seems to be about 20 pounds of pull in double action to me.  For 72 years old, she is steady as a rock pulling the trigger.

[briang2ad]

Back to the point.

Nearly every CZ OTB is accurate and reliable, and to a lesser or greater degree - ergonomic.  The P series is great in these areas.

With a thousand rounds and some polishing most can be made to have good triggers. Some, evidently not so much.  For many its no big deal  I also suspect, because many folks don't even use DA, and hitting with a CZ in SA is a no brainer.

The grip of the P07/09 is a natural to hit the target - that is why I give it a slight edge over my 2022.

BUT... I've never felt a 2022 or a PX4 with grittiness, and they are in the same price point.  CZ could do better.  That's all I'm saying. I LIKE CZ. I wish they'd do a tighter QC.  A better trigger makes a difference.  I also like the SLIGHTLY shorter DA throw on the CZ - this makes up for some of the stacking in some guns.

[DOC 1500]

If everybody who buys a po7 or po9 , does all of the suggested polishing and changing of a few Springs , they are a smooooth and beautiful shooting pistol.