::.Bitten by the HK VP9sk bug -- is it better than the P10 ??.::

[hANNAbONE]

It's almost sacrilege speaking about an HK on this forum. I really don't know anything about them except I

finally held one yesterday and really like it.

Question : anybody moved from the smaller VP9sk to the P10??

If so why / why not..?

I await choo....

[cremaley]

I did own an HK VP9 and while it is a very nice gun I wouldn't trade my P-10 for it. My P-10 has a better trigger and is definitely more accurate at least for me. It also shoots flatter making follow up shots much easier. I'm not saying that the HP VP9 is not a great gun what I am saying is for me the CZ P-10C is better. So my advise is take two aspirins and stick with the P-10.

[s0nspark]

I am personally not a fan of subcompacts. For the size of the gun, the capacity always leaves me wanting.  Even more so when you have finger extensions on the mags.

I carried an HK VP9 for a little over a year. If I had that experiment to do over I would have chosen the CZP-10C, without question.

[s0nspark]

Also, just to add: don?t underestimate the learning/comfort curve when it comes to using a paddle mag release when you are used to a thumb button.

[briang2ad]

Also, just to add: don?t underestimate the learning/comfort curve when it comes to using a paddle mag release when you are used to a thumb button.

Roger that. They take about a few minutes to learn, and are ambi, easier to reach, and you keep your hand fixed, no shifting.  Not bad.

[fflmike]

I had a VP9 and a P30.  With large fingers they rub blisters in no time with the triggers.  JMHO and Blisters, LOL

[s0nspark]

Also, just to add: don?t underestimate the learning/comfort curve when it comes to using a paddle mag release when you are used to a thumb button.

Roger that. They take about a few minutes to learn, and are ambi, easier to reach, and you keep your hand fixed, no shifting.  Not bad.

Thee is a quite a difference between learned and ingrained. Also, having to use one?s trigger finger rather than thumb can make for a significant curve to get back to baseline.

Just saying it bears consideration.

[Mercs]

Also, just to add: don?t underestimate the learning/comfort curve when it comes to using a paddle mag release when you are used to a thumb button.

Roger that. They take about a few minutes to learn, and are ambi, easier to reach, and you keep your hand fixed, no shifting.  Not bad.

Thee is a quite a difference between learned and ingrained. Also, having to use one?s trigger finger rather than thumb can make for a significant curve to get back to baseline.

Just saying it bears consideration.

I use my middle finger. You don?t have to use your trigger finger. It?s really fast, and requires no change in grip


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[m1a_scoutguy]

Also, just to add: don?t underestimate the learning/comfort curve when it comes to using a paddle mag release when you are used to a thumb button.

Roger that. They take about a few minutes to learn, and are ambi, easier to reach, and you keep your hand fixed, no shifting.  Not bad.

Thee is a quite a difference between learned and ingrained. Also, having to use one?s trigger finger rather than thumb can make for a significant curve to get back to baseline.

Just saying it bears consideration.

The HK VP9 is a great gun,,although I never owned a SK version,and as stated above I'm not much of a fan of compact pistols,even though I have a P01 coming but I have shot them before and the grip is much better in my hands then most real compact guns. Anyways I WISH ALL guns had the paddle mag release like the HK,,in my eyes there is none better !!! I went back and forth between my HK and my CZs with 0 issues. I just really liked it. Anyways that's the beauty of it all if ya like one and want one and it feels good in your hand,,buy the darn thing !!! In the end though I just sold my VP9 last week and now I'm down to one 1911 a couple revolvers that were my Dads and 3 CZs with a PO1 on the way !! Not saying I won't even have a Striker gun again but just don't see the need for one in my future anytime soon ! Soooo,,buy what ya like/want,,be happy !! 

[s0nspark]

Also, just to add: don?t underestimate the learning/comfort curve when it comes to using a paddle mag release when you are used to a thumb button.

Roger that. They take about a few minutes to learn, and are ambi, easier to reach, and you keep your hand fixed, no shifting.  Not bad.

Thee is a quite a difference between learned and ingrained. Also, having to use one?s trigger finger rather than thumb can make for a significant curve to get back to baseline.

Just saying it bears consideration.

I use my middle finger. You don?t have to use your trigger finger. It?s really fast, and requires no change in grip

I liked that it didn?t require me to break my grip (regardless of which finger was used) but, for me, it was a challenge to overcome years of using a different technique.

I like having the same manual of arms across any gun I may routinely carry. In the end I felt like i needed to go 100% one way or the other and after a year of use I just wasn?t sold on the HK way.

There were other factors too. I wanted guns I felt comfortable gunsmithing myself, etc.

I?m certainly not suggesting the paddle mag releases are some giant hurdle - just that for many it does take some adjustment and plenty of reps to get on par with where they are with a button release.

[Walt Sherrill]

It also shoots flatter making follow up shots much easier.

Given the same round and comparable barrel lengths (barrel length will affect velocity, and how far the bullet travels for a set period of time), I don't see how one gun can shoot "flatter" than another.   Am I missing something, or is there another variable I'm over-looking? 

Re: H&K VP9sk...
 
I traded into an H&K VP9sk, and find it a fine-shooting gun.   (It came to me with two 10-round mags and a 15-round Xtech full-size mag, for which I  bought a magazine sleeve.)    The only thing I don't like about it is the Paddle Mag releases, but I may just need more time with them.  (A lot of folks LOVE the paddle releases!) 

I don't YET have a CZ P10C, but hope to get one in the future, so I can't presently offer comparisons.  I do have a couple FNS-40s (a 40 and a 40L), and several Glocks.  Through trades, I also have a SIG P-320 Compact -- but haven't shot it much, yet.  Thus far, however, I find the 320C and the VP9sk to both be very accurate and user-friendly guns.  The triggers on the FNS-40s are better than some striker-fired guns, and after-market kits are being developed -- so they may end up with top-notch triggers, which would make them very impressive handguns.  (The FNS line of guns, unlike many polymer-framed guns, don't FEEL LIKE polymer in your hand.)

[IDescribe]

It also shoots flatter making follow up shots much easier.

Given the same round and comparable barrel lengths (barrel length will affect velocity, and how far the bullet travels for a set period of time), I don't see how one gun can shoot "flatter" than another. 

Am I missing something? 

He's not using the term 'flatter shooting' the same way you are.  You're using it in the traditional way, but people on the interwebs have started using the term to refer to the degree to which the muzzle rises or how violently or erratically the pistol moves under recoil, typically with the belief that higher muzzle climb translates to later follow-up shots.

If I remember correctly, the early complaint was that the VP9's recoil spring was a little too strong and was causing nose-diving.  Some early users were clipping coils to compensate for it.  And the pistol ships now with a different RSA anyway, so I don't know if anyone still complains.  I shoot a VP9 competitively with the original RSA, and I have no such issues. 

[s0nspark]

If I remember correctly, the early complaint was that the VP9's recoil spring was a little too strong and was causing nose-diving.  Some early users were clipping coils to compensate for it.  And the pistol ships now with a different RSA anyway, so I don't know if anyone still complains.

IIRC the gun now ships with the same RSA as the VP40. The early guns shipped with a very light recoil spring which led to some issues with FTRTB

[GeneticallySwiss]

I have an LE version of a VP9 (basically, an extra magazine and tritium 3-dot sights) and my wife has an HK VP9 SK.  No issues with either.  Really nice triggers on both, equivalent IMO, with the P-10C.  And the slide release works on both sides... . Just sayin?.


GS

[IDescribe]

IIRC the gun now ships with the same RSA as the VP40. The early guns shipped with a very light recoil spring which led to some issues with FTRTB

It does ship with the same RSA as the VP40, which is the same RSA the VP9 has always shipped with everywhere but the USA.   It's the RSA the pistol was designed with.  I don't remember the weight difference between original VP9 RSA and the current one, but the decision to switch the USA VP9s back to the original was a cost issue -- it's cheaper to produce and maintain inventories of one RSA than it is two.

I also just re-read my post and it looks like I was saying the new RSA was in response to the nose-diving.  That was poor writing.  To be clear, I was commenting on the nose-diving, which was causing some people problems with getting the sights re-aligned, then the RSA comment was just to say I don't know if people are making the same complaints with the new RSA, not that the new RSA was a response to the nose-diving.   People may very well be making the same complaints.