Post by: Radom on October 17, 2002, 07:06:48 PM
I offered to do this some time ago, but I never followed up on it. I am trying to build a Magazine Compatibility Master List for the Pistols FAQ. This means that I need everyones input on which magazines work with which pistols. I am going to post this thread on all of the relevant forums, so that as many people as possible see it. For my own convenience as editor, it would help me if as many people as possible posted their answers at the Clone Forum, rather than all of the individual forums. I apologize to the other moderators in advance if this is a problem. Answers do not have to be in this format or anything, but I will start the ball rolling for the purposes of clarification.
The 97B uses the same magazines as the full-size .45 Witness. They are not identical to Tanfoglio OEM magazines, but no fitting is necessary.
Thank you for your support.
Post by: armoredman on October 18, 2002, 07:36:11 AM
Tan 12 round 40 and 40/41 mags will fit and feed dummy rounds in a CZ75
Tan full size prebans will NOT work correctly in the Compact model, at least the two I tried.
The Jericho 941, Baby Eagle, Tanfoglio TZ75, FIE/EXCAM TA90, and Springfield P9 are all made by Tanfoglio, and Tan mags should work in all of them, with the minor differances listed above.
Is this what you wanted?
Dave
Post by: Radom on October 18, 2002, 06:20:15 PM
Any compatibility between CZ and clones (and some others that aren't true clones, like some of the Sphinx models) are what I am looking for. Thanks to all participants so far (and in the future).
Post by: QBToo on October 23, 2002, 07:02:20 PM
Hope this helps.
Post by: Radom on October 23, 2002, 08:11:34 PM
Does anyone else have a Sphinx? Just curious.
Post by: javigonz22 on October 24, 2002, 09:41:50 PM
Does any one have a CZ85 I am interested in purchasing one instead of the CZ75 because I am left handed.
Post by: Radom on October 25, 2002, 11:30:39 AM
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on October 25, 2002, 01:08:31 PM
If you've got a CZ-85 (and not a newer CZ-85B), don't waste your money on anything but CZ factory mags.
Even the newer Mec-Gar mags won't work. (I speak from experience, having had a CZ-75B, now a CZ-75 and a CZ-85 Combat.)
I have a bunch of Baby Eagle mags that work beautifully in my CZ-85 Combat and in 75Bs, but won't even go more than halfway into the grip of a pre-B 75...
Post by: Radom on October 25, 2002, 01:41:42 PM
Just to further cloud the issue, a "transitional" 75 (75 slide on 75B frame) has a 75B grip frame, so I never had this problem. I forget about the difference.
Walt, are there "transitional" 85s?
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on October 25, 2002, 04:28:37 PM
I'll bet there are -- as the transition was apparently a production line change.
Any 85s made during that period probably have the same "transitional" characteristics as the 75s.
Post by: javigonz22 on October 27, 2002, 10:35:13 PM
My friend was showing me his Witness in 9mm (.40 conversion slide and barrel used on this frame) and right above the trigger the frame is cracked it is about the with of a hair and extends about .25-.4 of an inch has any one had this problem is it serious? He is trying to avoid sending it to the factory but what should I advise him?
Post by: javigonz22 on October 27, 2002, 10:35:35 PM
My friend was showing me his Witness in 9mm (.40 conversion slide and barrel used on this frame) and right above the trigger the frame is cracked it is about the with of a hair and extends about .25-.4 of an inch has any one had this problem is it serious? He is trying to avoid sending it to the factory but what should I advise him?
Thanks for the info!!!!!
Post by: jwc007 on October 27, 2002, 11:50:09 PM
Back to the subject of Magazines. The Early Tanfoglio pistols built on the pre series 88 frames will use CZ75 magazines and only those magazines will interchange. The later magazines built for the series 88 frames do not work (or fit) in the earlier Tan pistols or the CZ75/85.
Post by: securitysix on October 28, 2002, 04:55:24 PM
Post by: ScottB on October 30, 2002, 09:20:42 PM
Full-size 10mm mags will fit the compact, and if you use the spacer for the full-size 45 polymer frame mags, they make it fit your hand like a glove. For large hands, it almost turns the compact into a tactical, but even more ergonomically.
No doubt this would work with 45s as well.
Post by: Radom on October 30, 2002, 10:03:10 PM
I saw your other thread, and I almost thanked you there. Thanks for going to the trouble; it is appreciated.
Post by: ScottB on October 31, 2002, 08:59:16 AM
I did get a couple offers for $300 for the 10mm compact. I'm betting markup on NIB is now close to $400 for these. That's good, and bad.
Post by: WillRuss on October 31, 2002, 02:05:58 PM
Post by: Radom on October 31, 2002, 02:48:15 PM
Seriously, the more of this that begins life in ONE location, the easier it is for me.
Post by: ScottB on November 18, 2002, 04:06:34 PM
Also, the regular 40 mags fit and function just fine if you are going to convert to a 40 from a 9.
Post by: HookedonCZ on December 12, 2002, 10:02:45 AM
Just getting around to this thread so sorry if I jump in late. Just making a deal to buy a 97B and got to wondering about magazines when I saw this. And you may have already answered my question. Do I read your statement correctly? The EAA Witness .45 magazines work in the 97B? I see on the Mec-Gar sight that they have mags for the Witness and if this is true I intend on getting some.
Thanx....
Jim
Florida......
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on December 12, 2002, 10:49:39 AM
They are interchangeable with CZ-97B mags.
Post by: Unregistered(d) on December 14, 2002, 10:15:05 PM
The factory CZ 9mm 15-round mags feed everything in both.
The factory EAA 16-round mags feed everything in both.
The factory EAA 13-round compact mags only fit the Witness, and feed everything, but have a problem with coming apart (the base plate falls off, the spring goes flying, etc.) if you drop them.
The Pro-Mags (14-15 rounds) feed everything in the CZ-85B and FMJ only in the Witness.
USA 14 round mags feed only FMJ in the CZ, and will not feed in the Witness.
Misc. after-market 20, 25, and 30 round mags feed only FMJ in the CZ-85B and will not feed in the Witness.
Adding an extended-capacity base plate (even with the addition of a Wolff +10% spring) will decrease the reliability of anything.
Andy Out.
Post by: Unregistered(d) on January 04, 2003, 10:51:54 AM
Post by: edefonzo on January 23, 2003, 03:40:07 PM
I have a CZ75B in .40 S&W, which came with 2 Mec-Gar 10 round mags from the factory. Of course, they function flawlessly.
Recently I purchased 2 10 round mags from a dealer who promised CZ factory mags and sent EAA Witness mags. They also functioned flawlessly. However, they don't slide into the CZ75B mag well as easily, hanging up a little in the area of the mag release. A little jiggle and they go in. The followers are of different design, but both types hold open the slide after the last round. The Witness mags extend ever so slightly, being about 1/8" longer than the Mec-Gar mags, and have slightly bulkier butt plates.
I've read a lot of feedback in the forum about using Witness mags in the CZ75B, with some saying that the Witness mags need a little alteration around the mag release slot because the slots are positioned a little differently. That may be the case, but my Witness mags needed no additional fitting at all to function. I don't own a Witness, so I don't know if the reverse would be true.
Good Luck with your list.
ED
Post by: Radom on January 23, 2003, 06:43:55 PM
I am still working on this thing. Trying to come up with a usable format (as opposed to MANY lonnnggg paragraphs) is just killing me.
Post by: Unregistered(d) on January 25, 2003, 09:50:26 PM
I'm taking a $75 gamble when I get my next paycheck, unless I get more information here. Has anyone tried a TZ75 mag in a CZ or Witness.
Post by: msetera on January 29, 2003, 12:06:15 PM
Post by: verbaltharhino on January 31, 2003, 07:12:50 AM
I was looking at a used one at a local gun shop for $250, not a bad deal, right? Well, the mag in the gun was EXACTLY the same as my stepped-base 15-rd. CZ mag (I had them side-by side) that came with my CZ. Neither mag locked the slide open. I took it for granted that maybe it was the pistol and not the mags causing this (I ended up not buying for that reason alone). After reading this thread, maybe it was the mags! The mags (both) fit into the mag well just fine, though.
Post by: jwc007 on February 04, 2003, 02:56:32 PM
As for your Witness, it's frame is made from the series-88 design. Tanfoglio beefed up the design at this time to take the pounding of the .41 AE and later the .40 S&W. It is a slightly larger frame, as you have probably observed. There were other design changes that occurred at this time.
Aftermarket magazine manufacturers tended to get confused about these pistols.
Post by: jwc007 on February 06, 2003, 01:30:23 PM
Update: Over 3 courses of fire, no FTF's, and reloads went smoothly. I think I have some winners here. At $8.99 apiece, not to bad on the budget, either. Can afford to bang these around for competition. Now I need mag bumper pads for them.
Post by: TorontoCZ on February 11, 2003, 09:40:05 PM
Forgive me if this has already been dealt with before, but my searches did not produce any such posts.
Post by: Radom on February 12, 2003, 12:01:20 AM
Post by: TorontoCZ on February 12, 2003, 11:42:17 AM
Post by: bps2799 on February 15, 2003, 11:01:21 PM
Post by: GTCMEPTb- on February 17, 2003, 03:15:02 AM
Post by: Unregistered(d) on February 17, 2003, 08:54:38 AM
Dave
Post by: Radom on February 27, 2003, 11:35:06 PM
I have started getting this posted at Pistols FAQ. The good news is that I have at least started. I'm not done, but I don't think it all COULD fit in one post, due to ezboard limits.
Here's a link:
pub105.ezboard.com/fczech...=113.topic (http://pub105.ezboard.com/fczechpistols82792frm25.showMessage?topicID=113.topic)
The bad news is that I am doing CZs and Clones as two separate threads, and I started with CZs.
My thinking is that someone is probably not interested in this in the absract. That is, they own a particular model (whether CZ, Witness, Baby Eagle, etc.) and want to know which magazines will fit. I have tried to make the format make sense in that regard, so people don't have to read the entire article(s) to find out what they want to know. I think you will see why this has taken me some time when you see how long the entries are for just the 9mm and .40 CZ 75/85 series and variants.
If anyone sees something that is incorrect, misleading, or just poorly worded, please let me know.
Post by: castratta on March 01, 2003, 08:39:31 AM
A couple weeks ago I purchased a large frame 45 EAA Witness with 9mm and 22lr slides.
I ordered 3 "full size" 9mm Promag magazines from CDNN only to find they don't fit the full size 45 Witness. Now having spoken with the folks at Promag I know they don't make a 9mm magazine for the 45 frame. EAA tells me all "Polymer-series" mags will fit the 45 frame which is an interesting bit of info.
CDNN will make good on the the mags so that's not a problem. Problem is, valuable angst-ridden time has been wasted (and a few extra bucks) only because I didn't have the wherewithall (!) for quick and ready access to the info needed.
Incidently, the too-small for the 45 Witness 9mm Promags I bought are labeled:
EAA01
Witness 9mm 10RD PROMAG
FULL SIZE, TZ, BABY EAGLE EAGLE
MAGP EAA
and should fit great in any of those guns. Had I only known...
By the way, this Witness feels and shoots great even with the one 38SA magazine I'm using with the 9mm conversion. Obviously I need the proper mags.
Hope this information proves useful in your master compatability FAQ list.
Would like to read and see more pix of EAA's as done on the other gun lists but that's another thread. Hopefully I can contribute something useful here.
Castratta
Post by: CZ75SA on April 01, 2003, 03:44:51 PM
Testing shows that the operate identically also.
Post by: CZ75BSA on April 01, 2003, 04:04:52 PM
In spite of this, the one I have seems to work correctly so far, so I can't be TOO critical. But I won't buy another.
Post by: Unregistered(d) on August 12, 2003, 06:34:20 AM
Post by: TorontoCZ on September 11, 2003, 08:21:30 AM
They look alike and the CZ mags fit quite nicely in the Uzi's mag well, but the Uzi's mag catch does not hold the mag in place.
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on September 11, 2003, 05:20:57 PM
That being the case, you might want to enlarge the BOTTOM of the mag release notch of the CZ mags, to see how they fit in the BE. (Take the grips off and see if you can SEE the problme...)
It shouldn't take much, using a needle file.
Post by: DaddyDett on September 28, 2003, 06:14:11 AM
Compact?
DaddyDett
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on September 28, 2003, 10:01:27 AM
I picked up some Baby Eagle compacts a while back, and they're SHORTER than the CZ-75B Compact mags. The Compact mags would probably work in the Baby Eagle (and, implicitly, in the Jericho), but might stick out.
You may just have to buy one to find out. And then sell it here on the Forum if it doesn't fit. You'll get a buyer.
Post by: n-75BDdude on October 02, 2003, 06:12:57 PM
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on December 11, 2003, 07:08:59 PM
Look in the classified area. A dealer who has joined the forum is ordering "Compact .40" Promags for forum members.
(Be warned, however, they may not work in older models of the Compact -- they didn't in one of mine.)
Post by: oziem on January 04, 2004, 04:24:50 PM
Post by: czboy2 on January 08, 2004, 09:53:48 PM
Post by: Radom on January 08, 2004, 09:57:29 PM
Post by: czboy2 on January 08, 2004, 10:12:30 PM
There's a big picture of one on the classified section of this forum. I've e-mailed the owner and he says he was told that cz 97 mags fit, and the baseplates look like the ones on my brothers witness .45, but I'd like to make sure before I buy the gun. I try to have at least four mags for each of my guns that I shoot a lot, I'm real clumsy!
Post by: iceweazel on February 02, 2004, 01:22:44 AM
Does anyone sell replacement followers for these?
Also I used to see magazine springs, but its been a while since I picked up anything that would have had an advertisement in it. Any links to replacements for hi-cap ones?
Post by: jwc007 on February 12, 2004, 12:04:11 AM
www.gunsprings.com/ (http://www.gunsprings.com/)
As for CZ Magazine Followers, that is more of a problem as CZ does not sell them. You might wish to contact MecGar to see if they would sell you some. The only other alternative would be to try the Magazine Followers sold by CPMI, for the EAA Witness Pistols.
cpmi-usa.com/accfirarm.htm (http://cpmi-usa.com/accfirarm.htm)
Post by: warror1 on February 21, 2004, 08:03:15 PM
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on March 14, 2004, 10:20:12 AM
Be sure it isn't just weak mag springs -- which is the most likely diagnosis.
You can buy some cheap replacement mags and use their followers, if worse comes to worst. (EAA sells good followers on their website, but they're $5 each. Probably worth it. I don't know, however, that they will lock back the slide on a CZ...)
Post by: SLM crew chief on March 14, 2004, 07:14:36 PM
Quote
Quote:
You can buy some cheap replacement mags and use their followers, if worse comes to worst. (EAA sells good followers on their website, but they're $5 each. Probably worth it. I don't know, however, that they will lock back the slide on a CZ...)
To get followers I had order a ProMag mag right from them and have them include 6 "spare" followers. They wouldn't sell just the followers.
MecGar does not sell followers for CZ's.
The EAA followers work just fine in my CZ 75B SA. They also appear to be a direct copy of the MecGar (CZ OEM) followers with the "legs". Problem is -- when you put them in you cart on the EAA site and go to check out BAM! $7.50 each for shipping!
1 = 12.50, 2 = 25.00My favorite: 50 are 250.00 plus 375.00 shipping = $625.00!
Post by: Walt-Sherrill on March 14, 2004, 08:44:07 PM
1-800-536-4442 EXT 226
Post by: mstnglx50 on March 18, 2004, 02:53:39 AM
store.yahoo.com/cdnn/9mmmagfolfit.html (http://store.yahoo.com/cdnn/9mmmagfolfit.html)
They feed fine but will generally not lock the slide back. However at $0.69 for 4 of them the fact that they do anything other than take up space in my mag parts drawer astounds me.
By the way, stay away from the eagle magazine springs also offered by CDNN. They are only useful if you enjoy the postmans company, as after actually seeing them you will throw them away.
Good Luck,
Alan Elam LCpl/USMC
Post by: firebird100 on April 19, 2004, 06:24:12 PM
Post by: Original-Supergoose on December 19, 2005, 04:36:36 PM
Thanks, Greg
Post by: ReloaderFred on December 27, 2005, 11:50:39 PM
Hope this helps.
Fred
PS: Welcome to the forum
Post by: mcostello25 on February 10, 2006, 03:24:00 PM
I have not been able to find anything on a CZ 25, let alone spare clips. One list I saw showed a CZ 25 as being afully automatic rifle. Any Help appreciated?
Post by: shooter on February 13, 2006, 06:29:51 PM
Purchased a Witness PC 9mm Polymer frame compact
I guess the New Style Polymer frame compacts will use
the same mags as the steel guns.
www.ammoclip.com has measurments on the web site
to assist with trying to find the correct mags. Just go to
the EAA Mag page.
Wish it was easier to find mags.
Gil...
Post by: Alvin-John on February 21, 2006, 07:06:58 PM
Thanks a lot!
alvin john
Post by: eedsr on April 23, 2006, 01:56:53 PM
I'm New to this forum, want to say Hi to all and say that I enjoy reading all the posts, they are very informative.
I have a full size Witness Wonder Finish in 45 acp and enjoy shooting it very much.
I have just purchased a .22 lr Conversion Kit and was trying to find out if anyone knows where to buy .22 lr magazines ?
Thanks,
Ed.
Post by: CanuckZ on July 28, 2006, 07:01:37 PM
Post by: CanuckZ on July 28, 2006, 07:05:26 PM
Post by: bbdmr on October 30, 2006, 10:49:29 PM
I need some help the mag is marked 41 AE. it fits & fnctions well but the follower will not lock the slide back.
The follower is a bit narrow in the front of the mag.
i'm using the mag in a 40cal.Baby Eagle with the red follower the new mag has a blackfollower.
How can i modify the follower to lock the slide back.
I tried to swich the 41AE follower with a orignal it would have to be modified abit as the rear corners of the follower need to be reworked in the 41AE mag.
I should know by now to just spend the money and get a REAL mag.
Thanks for any help,
bbdmr
Post by: barnshooter on June 13, 2007, 11:31:49 PM
I'm not sure from your post but it sounds like you may not be aware of the difference between the two frame sizes vs the two frame styles. If I'm out of line here then just smack me. But it looked like a good spot for a quick refresher clinic now that this post has grown so much. Greybeards of the clone board please correct me where I'm wrong, but keep in mind I am making this general, I'll point out some exceptions at the end.
There are two basic styles, usually called full-size and compact. There are also polymer and all-steel versions of both. For mags this isn't a big concern so we won't go into the polymers here.
There are also two frame sizes, usually referred to as large frame and small frame.
The small frame shoots (basically) 9mm and 40 S&W only. It is available in both styles, full-size and compact.
The large frame shoots (basically) 38 super, 10mm and 45. It is available in both styles, full-size and compact. They can also be converted to other calibers, including the ones used by the small frame version. This will muddy the water some as we'll see later.
Magazines intended for the large frame will not interchange with those intended for the small frame. Period.
Magazines for the compact will not fit a full size frame style(obviously because they are too short). However magazines for the full size frames will fit the compact style, just stick out a little on the bottom. More on that later.
Now, within the lineups, there is another thing to remember; the caliber of the magazine. For all intents and purposes, there are three basic "calibers" of magazines, and they roughly correspond to the boltface on the slide, which is geared to the diameter of the bullet rim. For the small frame there are two, 9mm and 40. On the large frame there are three, 38 super, 10mm and 45. The magazine has to match the shell diameter to feed properly. No matter what the magazine is marked, it is one of three basic sizes, 9mm/38, 10mm/40, and 45.
Now, to put all this together and answer your question about 40 mags in a 10mm, we'll walk through the basic questions you have to be able to answer to order the correct ones.
1) Is your gun style the compact or the full size? If it is the full size you can't use the compact mags, if it is the compact then you have to decide if you want a larger magazine that protrudes from the bottom or not.
2) Is your gun the small frame or the large frame? This is important and i can't stress this enough, it goes right over some people's heads. CURRENT CALIBER DOES NOT NECESSARILY MATTER, ONLY THE FRAME SIZE!!!. So many people ask things like "Will a 40 mag work in a 10mm?" and get ticked off when the answer is "maybe, it depends". I don't have my calipers or my pistols handy to give measurements but one way you might tell is if you know what caliber it came in from EAA. If it shoots 38 super, 45 or 10mm you have the large frame. The reverse is not always true though. If it shoots 9mm or 40 S&W, it is likely a small frame, BUT it could be a large frame set up to shoot one of these calibers.
3) You've determined the length of the magazine you want (compact or full size) and the frame size (large or small) but you aren't sure what caliber. This gets to be more important in large frame conversions to other calibers. 9mm and 38super have the same shell diameter, so yes, one should feed the other. 40 and 10mm, 357 sig share the same shell size. 45 is all by its lonesome unless you really get into the wildcats like 9x25. If you get this far, you shouldn't be looking at this post for answers though
Polymer notes: I don't have experience with the witness P, but I think all the rules above apply. The unique thing about the polymer full size large frame mags is that they have a little rubber spacer doodad on them that makes them fit really well in the compact model. I don't know if there is one for the full size small frame magazines. I assume so.
Non-witness mag notes: That is the other half of the story and a lot of what this sticky was originally about. This post is just for the witness alone.
41AE notes: This is an oddball caliber. It uses the boltface and slide of the 9mm, but it has its own magazine. The only ones I've seen are for the small frame model, and they are of an older style baseplate. They will fit in the full size and the compact, but they aren't real comfortable to hold in the compact. The reason these were popular is that they were available at one time cheap, were high capacity and they seemed to cycle reasonably well with 40S&W, which is almost the same size. Back when hi-cap 40 mags were scarce, these were a cheap easy way to fit your 40 cal witness with a hi-cap mag legally. In reality though, if you have one it is worth more as a collectible than anything, they don't work well enough and totally suck in the compact for anything outside the range. If you also have a 41AE barrel then keep both as an accessory or see if you can find a buyer. I personally wouldn't mind scoring another barrel, and I bet there are those who wouldn't mind having the mag.
Newer frame note: I'm still not sure I gather what EAA is doing but I believe all their imports are now on the large frame. I have been out of commission for awhile so I am just catching up. The above should still apply because there are still plenty of the small frames out there NIB on jobber's shelves judging from the last gun show I went to.
Post by: CanuckZ on June 17, 2007, 07:54:46 AM
Post by: SigWolf on November 03, 2007, 06:15:39 AM
I have noticed the factory mags don't fit snugly in the frame of the .45 Match Elite. I checked a number of Elite pistols at my local FFL and they all are pretty much the same.
When you insert the mag if you do not push the bottom forward it will not seat and lock in place. I'm going to modify one mag by enlarging the catch indention and see if this solves the problem. It's like the hole isn't quite long enough.
These are factory mags BTW with the T on them not Mec-Gar or Pro-Mag.
Post by: czharry on December 04, 2007, 01:05:58 PM
were changed.
I just bought a Witness-C in .45ACP, and I'd like to get another mag.
Post by: CanuckZ on July 13, 2008, 07:23:35 PM
Post by: jwc007 on July 14, 2008, 07:53:02 AM
Quote from: CanuckZ
Will CZ75 magazines work in a TZ75?
That would depend upon what version of the TZ75 that you have. Series 88 and later TZ75's will use the 9mm/.40 frame EAA Witness magazines. I have been using Israeli (IMI) made CZ75 magazines in my pre-series 88 TZ75. I've heard that Mec-Gar CZ75 magazines will also work in the pre-series 88 TZ75. EAA has in the past, stocked magazines for the pre-series 88 TZ75's. You might call them and ask if they still have them. Another possibility, since you are in Canada, is to see if the magazines for the Norinco CZ Clones will fit and feed. Good Luck!
Post by: CanuckZ on July 14, 2008, 07:32:34 PM
Post by: Ekalb2000 on October 10, 2008, 10:19:57 PM
I had to shave off about 1/16 of an inch where the mag release catches the magazine (on the mag).
They fit like a glove. Midway USA has them on sale rite now for $20.
hope this helps someone out there
Andy
Oh yeah, both are 9mm
Post by: mdcaisse on November 12, 2008, 08:36:07 PM
Post by: jwc007 on November 13, 2008, 12:35:22 AM
I ordered some magazines I forget the company but they did not fit my ta-90 at all. Are there any reliable magazines out there?
Have you actually taken time to read this list? ::)
When and what version of the TA90 you have, will determine which magazines to order.
Pre-Series 88 TA90's will use Pre-B CZ75 magazines or FIE/Excam Magazines.
EAA has had some magazines for the early pistols in stock. Call them and see if they still do.
Series 88 TA90's will use EAA Witness/Baby Eagle Magazines. Buy only Mec-Gar Magazines!
Post by: vistacruiser on December 21, 2008, 02:01:48 AM
I'm new to the forum and new to CZ's. I need help finding mags for a 9mm, 1989 Springfield P9 Compact that I recently purchased. I tried EAA Witness compact 13rd., but the floor plate bottoms on the frame. They are about 1/8" too short to lock onto the catch.
I saw CZ-75 compact 14 rounders advertised and wonder if those might work, I can fit 14 rounds in my mag.
I would also consider a full size mag like the CZ-75 16 round with a filler, if I knew it would function.
Any advice is welcome, thanks.
Brad
Post by: hdrider9 on December 24, 2008, 06:49:45 AM
Post by: mayham on August 30, 2009, 04:13:06 AM
First post for me on a great forum.
Post by: spartan45 on September 05, 2009, 11:05:25 AM
Post by: mc30707 on October 27, 2009, 01:48:34 PM
Post by: jwc007 on October 28, 2009, 12:35:03 AM
Will mecgar 16 rd 9mm CZ75 mags fit the CZ75B?
Yes!
Post by: mc30707 on October 28, 2009, 07:41:39 AM
Will mecgar 16 rd 9mm CZ75 mags fit the CZ75B?
Yes!
Thats good to hear. First time CZ owner here. I just ordered 2 mags from CDNN and they have already shipped. I traded for my lnib CZ75B this last weekend. I met the guy at the range and I have to say about 200 rds later I am totally impressed with the accuracy, ergonomics, and reliability (no FTF/FTE) of the CZ. I shoot as good or better with it than my Sig P229. thanks for the info. Mike
Post by: jaughtman on February 11, 2010, 12:58:06 PM
Transitional 85s? Darned if I know.
I'll bet there are -- as the transition was apparently a production line change.
Any 85s made during that period probably have the same "transitional" characteristics as the 75s.
I have a transitional 85 and the newer 75B or 85 Combat mags WILL NOT fit. They will go about 3/4 up the mag well before getting stuck. Mine has a 93 date on it.
Post by: jwc007 on February 11, 2010, 02:17:45 PM
Transitional 85s? Darned if I know.
I'll bet there are -- as the transition was apparently a production line change.
Any 85s made during that period probably have the same "transitional" characteristics as the 75s.
I have a transitional 85 and the newer 75B or 85 Combat mags WILL NOT fit. They will go about 3/4 up the mag well before getting stuck. Mine has a 93 date on it.
More than likely, your transitional 85 Pistol can use Pre-B CZ75 Magazines, Pre-Series 88 Tanfoglio Magazines, and High Capacity SP01 Magazines.
Post by: CJBFL on February 21, 2010, 02:32:06 PM
I've got a 9mm Witness P S that I bought about 12 years ago and was wondering if anyone has found a magazine w/ greater than 10 capacity that it will accept. (I saw on here that polymer Witnesses won't accept the CZ-75 15 round mag.)
Post by: Veyec on February 21, 2010, 11:33:12 PM
Hello,
I've got a 9mm Witness P S that I bought about 12 years ago and was wondering if anyone has found a magazine w/ greater than 10 capacity that it will accept. (I saw on here that polymer Witnesses won't accept the CZ-75 15 round mag.)
Have you checked at CDNN? They have a huge selection of EAA mags. I got two for my 9mm for about $16 each. 13 round capacity for the compact. I think the FS is 18 rounds.
Post by: CJBFL on February 22, 2010, 10:55:32 AM
Post by: Veyec on February 22, 2010, 12:13:20 PM
CDNN website doesn't really give much info re. compatability...
You could call them. I'm not sure how knowledgeable their CS reps are with the Witness line though.
Another thing you could do is call EAA (I know, you would rather go to a dentist!) They sell magazines for $25 each if you order more than one. They will know exactly what mag will fit your gun.
EAA Mag list (http://www.eaacorp.com/cart/index.php?cPath=2_8)
Post by: JJH on April 12, 2010, 08:51:57 PM
Post by: Witness~match on April 12, 2010, 10:56:37 PM
Just make sure you select the "Large Frame".
All Witnesses made 2005 and later are Large Frame models.
Post by: Jiminy on June 09, 2010, 10:25:32 PM
First time here. I've had an EAA Witness since '93, love it! Just ordered a CZ75B today, had to finally go for the real thing. So I have a bunch of 9mm EAA magazines around the house. I don't intend to mix them if there's even a chance of an issue...but in this case....will I be able to interchange a CZ mag with a Witness mag?
Thanks for the info!
Post by: Southern Forester on June 09, 2010, 11:03:50 PM
Davis
Post by: mikebaker1129 on August 15, 2010, 10:03:18 AM
Post by: YosemiteSam on October 19, 2010, 07:04:40 PM
I have a brand new Witness Match, and want to get at least one more mag for it. Can I use the Mec-Gars that Midway sells for the standard Witness? I note that the mags listed as specifically for the Match at CheaperThanDirt have a different number that the standard Witness mags, as well as the ones at Midway, so I'm wondering...
Thanks in advance,
-- Sam
Post by: eric0424 on December 06, 2010, 04:29:09 PM
Hi, first post here, please go easy. I looked through the list but couldn't find the answer.
I have a brand new Witness Match, and want to get at least one more mag for it. Can I use the Mec-Gars that Midway sells for the standard Witness? I note that the mags listed as specifically for the Match at CheaperThanDirt have a different number that the standard Witness mags, as well as the ones at Midway, so I'm wondering...
Thanks in advance,
-- Sam
The mags you'll need are for the large framed witness pistols, some of the standard Mec-Gar mags are for the older small frame guns like my Pre-88 TZ75. (http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad125/Eric_D_0424/TZleft.jpg) It would help to know what caliber witness you have though, Midway has three Mec-Gar witness mags, 9mm, (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=365784) 38-Super (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=410356) and 45ACP. (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=914096) If yours is 38-Super or 45ACP, the Mec-Gar mags may fit because they were large framed pistols from the start I believe. But they don't currently make magazines for the current production large framed witness.
I'm using the MGGT2116B mags (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=365784) in my Pre-88 TZ75 in 9mm, but they don't fit in the new large frame witness, I tried to fit one in the 2006 9mm poly witness I had to repair in 2006 and my TZ75 mags were too small.
Post by: YosemiteSam on December 06, 2010, 05:11:49 PM
I also discovered the mags are available directly through Davidson's (the distributor that I got my gun through), but they were out of stock as of a couple of weeks ago.
-- Sam
Post by: mustang400 on December 17, 2010, 05:42:34 PM
The mags will be the new AFC coating mags. CDNN or other outlets should have them in stock by the end of January!!
I sold my four factory mags for my Shadow and bought six Mec-Gar mags. They all run great 0% issues
Post by: jwc007 on December 18, 2010, 01:47:06 AM
All Tanfoglio pistols starting with the January delivery to EAA will be shipped with Mec-Gar Mags. All size guns and all calibers including 10mm.
The mags will be the new AFC coating mags. CDNN or other outlets should have them in stock by the end of January!!
This is wonderful News! How/where did you hear of this?
Post by: mustang400 on December 26, 2010, 08:37:39 AM
I've spoken several time with the VP of Mec-gar USA about producing a large frame mag for 40 and 10mm ammo. They now only make large frame mags in 9mm,38 Super and 45acp. Mec-gars 40 S&W mag is for the Full-Size frame.
While David (VP-Mec-Gar USA ) and i talked through December, The owners of Tanfogloi and Mec-Gar in Italy were talking about Mec-Gar taking over the contract for Tans Factory mags.
Per David thats a done deal ( as long as MG,s mags meet Tan,s spec,s--very hard for me to believe they won't ) and January,s shipment to EAA will be maged-up by Mec-Gar. Wholesalers should also have the new mags in January. I will speak with David on 1/3/11 and report back with any updates
Post by: notjustanothermini on January 10, 2011, 06:03:12 PM
what mags go in the butt of the gun and lock in place, and feed right, this info for every caliber and such
then
for compacts what mags will fit, lock in place and feed right, which ones fit flush and which ones hang out the bottom and the which ones hang out far enough for a mag spacer, and which ones stick out but only marginally and such.
and then does eaa specifically restamp 2 of the same mag bodies, such as the .10mm and .40 mags, both are interchangable, but does eaa mark each one as caliber specific?
when i think of the word "FIT" when it comes to magazines, i think about fiting in the guns but to lock in. if a mag sticks out he bottom but stay secure, and feeds right, i consider it a "FIT" even if it hangs out 2 feet from the bottom of the gun.
Post by: Indy_Tim on March 20, 2011, 03:12:46 PM
Tim
Post by: lytninbug on October 14, 2011, 09:28:07 PM
Post by: TenToGo on September 17, 2012, 01:20:48 AM
I'm going to be in the People's Republic of California for a month or so, and I need to get a couple of Fascist-Authorized (10-round) mags for my 10mm Match.
Post by: jwc007 on September 17, 2012, 03:22:24 PM
I'm going to be in the People's Republic of California for a month or so, and I need to get a couple of Fascist-Authorized (10-round) mags for my 10mm Match.
Here are some sources:
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=56459
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-MGEA101440
Post by: TenToGo on September 18, 2012, 12:14:30 AM
The two mags which came with my CH-datestamped Match are marked FT and have black followers. Are these the old (undesirable) type or the new ones?
Post by: sdn921 on September 24, 2012, 08:24:03 PM
I am thinking of getting the 9mm conversion.
I am looking for a 15 rd magazine since I live in NJ.
Would the baby eagle 9mm mag work?
Would any others?
thanks
Post by: jwc007 on September 25, 2012, 12:54:28 AM
Would the baby eagle 9mm mag work?
Nope! Different Frame sizes. Your .45 Witness is built on the Tanfoglio large Frame, hence you must use Large Frame Witness Magazines for the 9mm. Buy them from EAA or Hennings. However, as to the capacity problem, I've only ever seen them in 18 round capacity or 10 round capacity. Not sure what you can do there.
Post by: sdn921 on September 29, 2012, 09:13:07 AM
I guess I am stuck with 10 rounders
Post by: erknjerk on May 11, 2013, 02:53:17 AM
Post by: jwc007 on May 11, 2013, 01:40:59 PM
The Sarsalmaz KP2 mags can be used in the CZ-75 P07. So they might fit in the CZ-75b?
Maybe. The Mec-Gar 16 round Magazines cannot be used in the SAR K2P as they won't go in the Magazine Well deep enough to reach the Magazine Latch, but the Mec-Gar Cz75 17 round and 19 round Magazines will work in the SAR K2P very nicely.
Post by: TX_Southpaw on June 07, 2013, 02:54:07 AM
Post by: jose makalolot on May 10, 2014, 09:52:06 PM
Will CZ magazines fit in a Stingray, Shark C, or C100?
I use the CZ75 16rnd plus SPO1 base plate on my Stingray and my daughter's SAR B6PC with no issues.
Post by: toolness1 on May 11, 2014, 12:28:09 AM
Witness P-S will work with the factory 16rd CZ mags, the MecGar CZ75 17 and 19 round mags, the Elander 16rd mag
All of the above will work in the SAR, but stick out of course.
The Tanfoglio 16rd mags as well as the Elander 16rd mags work in the CZ75B Omega, they look and feel better too since they have the poly floor plate. (IMO)
This may be super obvious but i had to try: You can not use the MecGar plus two extension on any of the above mags except the 17rd MecGar. They fit fine on the Tanfo and Elander mags, as well as 16rd CZ/MecGar mags, but they won't lock in place after (on the witness or CZ, they may work in the SAR but I didn't try) You could probably modify them to work pretty easily.
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Post by: Cyanide on May 17, 2014, 03:37:32 PM
Post by: scole1203 on June 09, 2014, 09:59:01 AM
Post by: scole1203 on June 09, 2014, 10:00:38 AM
Post by: okanimalcontrol on June 11, 2014, 01:18:55 AM
I'd like to know every gun the the CZ75B mags fit in, I have bought two for my wife's baby eagle and am thinking about buying another CZ clone (K2p, B6p, or a canik or tristar) and would like to know which ones accept the 15rd ProMag CZ75, TZ75 mags. (I've read the thoughts on ProMag but they are range mags and have worked great for us).
http://promagindustries.com/cz/295-cz-75-tz-75-baby-eagle-9mm-15rd-blue-steel-magazine.html
thanks
Post by: Samikoo on June 12, 2014, 12:41:32 PM
My gun isn?t an actual clone, as it is a CZ TT9. I have found out that large frame Tanfoglio/Witness full size 9mm magazines would fit.
Are there any compatibility issues between steel and polymer frame Tanfoglio/Witness guns? I?m about to order some mags from Tanfoglio, but I would need to know if there are any differences between the two frame "types".
Post by: okanimalcontrol on June 21, 2014, 10:23:16 PM
Post by: jwc007 on June 23, 2014, 12:59:29 AM
My gun isn?t an actual clone, as it is a CZ TT9. I have found out that large frame Tanfoglio/Witness full size 9mm magazines would fit.
Are there any compatibility issues between steel and polymer frame Tanfoglio/Witness guns? I?m about to order some mags from Tanfoglio, but I would need to know if there are any differences between the two frame "types".
Magazines for the Polymer framed Pistols and Steel framed Pistols are the same, but exchange only per frame size and Large Frame Magazines are Larger than their Small Frame relatives and do NOT interchange.
Also, you might try Cz75B Magazines in your TT9, as I regularly use them in my Small Frame 9mm Tanfoglio Pistols.
Post by: Samikoo on June 23, 2014, 08:08:04 AM
My gun isn?t an actual clone, as it is a CZ TT9. I have found out that large frame Tanfoglio/Witness full size 9mm magazines would fit.
Are there any compatibility issues between steel and polymer frame Tanfoglio/Witness guns? I?m about to order some mags from Tanfoglio, but I would need to know if there are any differences between the two frame "types".
Magazines for the Polymer framed Pistols and Steel framed Pistols are the same, but exchange only per frame size and Large Frame Magazines are Larger than their Small Frame relatives and do NOT interchange.
Also, you might try Cz75B Magazines in your TT9, as I regularly use them in my Small Frame 9mm Tanfoglio Pistols.
Thank you. Like I said, large frame magazines should fit. I just didn?t know wether or not poly and steel frame magazines were different.
Small frame/CZ 75 magazines do not fit my gun, I have tried. They are too small :) And the dimensions given for large frame mags are the same as the ones on my CZ TT9 magazine. And I bought a .40 magazine for a TT40, it fits the frame and it?s stamped Tanfoglio. So maybe now I have the courage to order magazines from Tanfoglio.
BTW, do you know of any other shop (than Tanfoglio) that sells EAA/Tanfoglio magazines and ships to Europe?
Post by: jwc007 on June 23, 2014, 02:20:57 PM
BTW, do you know of any other shop (than Tanfoglio) that sells EAA/Tanfoglio magazines and ships to Europe?
No, but good luck in finding one.
Post by: mabbent on August 31, 2014, 07:01:54 AM
Post by: stephenva on September 04, 2014, 09:36:15 PM
Post by: jwc007 on September 05, 2014, 02:30:20 AM
What about CANIK55 Stingray C
Cz75 Compact Magazines are supposed to fit that.
Post by: mvBassmeister on January 21, 2015, 02:30:27 AM
Post by: jwc007 on January 21, 2015, 02:50:23 PM
What can I find out about mags for a Tafoglio TZ-75 Custom 90?
I remember that Pistol. Any current 9mm small Frame Witness or Cz75B Magazine should work in that Pistol and I would choose Mec-Gar Brand Magazines.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/549/medium/TZ75_C90_88.jpg)
Tanfoglio Series 88 Tz75 Custom 90 9mm with rounded trigger guard
I use the Mec-Gar Cz75B 19 round AFC Magazines alot. Note that my Series 88 TA90 is of close vintage to your Tz75 Custom 90.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/549/medium/TA90_MAP1.jpg)
Tanfoglio Series 88 TA90
Tanfoglio Armscore RIA MAP1
Both with 19 round Mec-Gar Cz75 Magazines and Hogue Grips
Post by: christineedadrink on March 06, 2015, 11:41:55 AM
http://www.jgsales.com/canik-stingray-c-9mm-15rd-magazine,-blued,-new.-p-71206.html
Post by: nitzer on March 09, 2015, 04:05:06 PM
From that pic they look like the same magazine. I bought 4 of them from J&G for my Stingray. Good Mec-Gar mags.
Post by: Joey donuts on March 09, 2015, 06:57:57 PM
Post by: jwc007 on March 09, 2015, 08:14:24 PM
What about the p07/09 anything compatible?
Nope!
Post by: pontiacjim on March 19, 2015, 08:06:33 PM
pontiacjim
Post by: jwc007 on March 20, 2015, 02:21:18 PM
Hi guys, I'm new here. I just bought a cz 83 and a mossad 9mm. The 83 seems to be just fine but the mossad came with a 10 round mag and I would like to buy one of the larger compasity mags and don't know which one to buy. I have read this thread and found no info on the mossad. I think they offer a 15 round one. Does anyone have a sku number that would work for me. I think my gun would be considered a small frame gun but I don't know for sure. I love the looks of the gun. Guess I'm a old school guy.
All of the Mossads I have seen are Series 88 small frame Tanfoglio 9mm Pistols and will use either small frame 9mm Witness Magazines or Cz75B Magazines.
Post by: CwlHeddwyn on April 06, 2015, 11:18:38 AM
Post by: chrisp51 on April 08, 2015, 02:08:38 PM
Post by: syhwig on September 10, 2015, 10:40:16 PM
The cz mags fit the Sphinx but the 16 round is too long and the 14 is too short.
You mean cz75 full size magazine?
Post by: B.. on September 16, 2015, 09:47:54 PM
The cz mags fit the Sphinx but the 16 round is too long and the 14 is too short.
You mean cz75 full size magazine?
Or do you mean the cz mags for the cz75 compact?
Looking for mags to fit flush on the Sphinx sdp compact....
Post by: SquireSCA on September 17, 2015, 04:49:18 PM
http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/eaa/sar-b6-full-size-magazine-9mm-17rd/
Just want to make sure I got the right ones before ordering... Thanks!
Post by: jwc007 on September 17, 2015, 05:11:46 PM
Are these the correct mags for the SAR Arms B6P 9mm?
http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/eaa/sar-b6-full-size-magazine-9mm-17rd/
Just want to make sure I got the right ones before ordering... Thanks!
I would assume so, but why bother with those as the Mec-Gar Cz75B 19 round Magazines work great?!
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/549/medium/SAR_B6P_FS.jpg)
EAA SAR B6P Full Size 9mm Pistol shown with Hogue Handall and Mec-Gar 19 round Cz75B Magazine installed.
Post by: SquireSCA on September 17, 2015, 10:01:18 PM
Too soon? ;-)
Post by: syhwig on October 02, 2015, 09:19:34 PM
The cz mags fit the Sphinx but the 16 round is too long and the 14 is too short.Is this the 16 round mag you mentioned, http://gregcotellc.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=130&products_id=590 ?
Post by: Dmenace on October 14, 2015, 05:08:08 PM
Post by: h2ogunr on October 15, 2015, 07:44:17 PM
Post by: tango9mm on December 14, 2015, 10:23:28 AM
I was told that these mags work in them.
cz75b,cz85b,cz75 sp-01,jericho baby eagle mags,sar b6p.
there maybe more..
the cz75 mags willn't work in the sar b6 hawk..
Post by: da/sa fanatic on January 22, 2016, 12:07:19 AM
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I use the CZ75 16rnd plus SPO1 base plate on my Stingray and my daughter's SAR B6PC with no issues.
Just wondering if anyone knows for sure if the 14 round CZ75 compact mags will fit flush in a SAR B6PC.
Post by: srREXed on February 17, 2016, 06:19:59 PM
Post by: danno_man on April 12, 2016, 09:17:32 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160413/ce184644e7c94a3cf5afeeb48991c695.jpg)
Sphinx vs Mec-Gar mags
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160413/b0044127fbb4f17880dc3fe395f9b763.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160413/e01c2ebbffe8aa1aa9c9bd0112f95f13.jpg)
I noticed the MG mags with a notch at the bottom front work like the factory mags. My MG mags without the notch would fit, but were tight. (~.010" larger F-R)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160413/9a681378d6771f933b0d7cd3ce11cd3c.jpg)
Post by: EvilWayz on May 09, 2016, 06:26:00 PM
Post by: wpierson on June 23, 2016, 12:47:00 AM
What ban are you speaking of? I purchased my witness .45 compact in 1997. does that make it a pre or post ban?
Also I was wondering if the full sized magazine will work in a compact. If so, is there a sleeve or something like that to protect what extends beyond the bottom of the grip? Kinda like what Walther did for the PPK by adding a finger rest extension on some mags.
Post by: jwc007 on June 23, 2016, 02:20:59 AM
What ban are you speaking of?
Generally, the ban being referred to is the Magazine Capacity 10 round limit imposed by the 1994 Crime Bill ( which was a crime in and of itself ).
The Ban expired in 2004 and is no longer relevant except when dealing with the 10 round Magazines built during that time.
Also, some USA States have Magazine Capacity restrictions, usually 10 rounds.
I purchased my witness .45 compact in 1997. does that make it a pre or post ban?
Post-ban
Also I was wondering if the full sized magazine will work in a compact. If so, is there a sleeve or something like that to protect what extends beyond the bottom of the grip?
Yes, a full size 10 round .45 Magazine should work in your Pistol, but I am unaware of any space filler sleeve made to adapt it to a Compact.
Post by: LowKey on August 21, 2016, 12:19:53 PM
Not only have I fallen in love with my post-2005 full sized steel frame 10mm Witness, but my wife has as well. To the tune of my having bought her her very own and her wanting to get her CCW and giving me the thumbs up for buying associated accessories.
One of the aspects of the (post-2005 all calibers built on the large frame) Witness that I like is the ability to swap between many calibers with just a slide and barrel exchange.
My question is....do all of the caliber versions of the post-2005 Witnesses use the same magazine shell with just different/followers and/or springs?
I haven't picked up a caliber conversion kit yet so I can not use the simple expedient of measuring samples, and I can't get one shipped to me here just to measure (it's a no-go to ship to my APO address).
No complaints either way, but it would be very interesting to know if a person could simply buy magazines in one caliber and just a supply of followers for any caliber conversions they were considering.
Post by: jwc007 on August 21, 2016, 04:53:16 PM
My question is....do all of the caliber versions of the post-2005 Witnesses use the same magazine shell with just different/followers and/or springs?
Nope!
Post by: Wolfgang1952 on September 05, 2016, 03:17:04 AM
Wolf
Post by: jwc007 on September 05, 2016, 02:29:50 PM
I guess you can call me new. I bought my SAR K2 45 three weeks ago and I?ve been here ever sense trying to learn and ask questions. I guess I?m going to be the oddball. I?ve read you full post from start to finish. I?m looking for high capacity mags for my SAR K2 45. The MEC-GAR 14 round mags are nice, but I would like more capacity around 20+. I don?t care if they stick out.
This particular thread has largely addressed the 9mm and maybe .40 clones. The SAR K2 .45 came along much later.
Try some extended Magazines for the ParaOrdnance P series Pistols, if you can find any.
Post by: Wolfgang1952 on September 05, 2016, 08:10:32 PM
Wolf
Post by: jwc007 on September 05, 2016, 08:20:58 PM
I found some 20 rounders made by Pro-Mag for the Para Warthog/P12/13/14.
ProMag has such a poor reputation, I couldn't possibly vouch for anything made by them.
The ParaOrdnance Pistol Magazines should work as is, but you may need to replace the Followers.
See links: http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=74499.msg531141#msg531141
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=76177.msg547174#msg547174
Post by: SnyperX on October 09, 2016, 09:50:18 PM
Post by: jwc007 on October 10, 2016, 12:24:37 PM
So picked up a SAR B6P 4.5". To confirm the 16 round MG CZ 75B mags will work fine correct?
Yes, but the Slide is best locked open for seating. I much prefer the 17 and 19 round Mec-Gar Cz75B AFC Magazines.
My SAR B6P spends more time at the Range with the 19 rounder in place.
Post by: SnyperX on October 10, 2016, 12:31:02 PM
So picked up a SAR B6P 4.5". To confirm the 16 round MG CZ 75B mags will work fine correct?
Yes, but the Slide is best locked open for seating. I much prefer the 17 and 19 round Mec-Gar Cz75B AFC Magazines.
My SAR B6P spends more time at the Range with the 19 rounder in place.
So these will fit the B6P?
http://shop.mec-gar.com/Magazines/CZ/CZ-75B-85B-SP-01-Shadow-19-High-Cap-Extended
http://shop.mec-gar.com/Magazines/CZ/CZ-75B-85B-SP-01-Shadow-17-High-Cap-Flush-Fit
Post by: jwc007 on October 10, 2016, 12:37:55 PM
This these will fit the B6P?
http://shop.mec-gar.com/Magazines/CZ/CZ-75B-85B-SP-01-Shadow-19-High-Cap-Extended
http://shop.mec-gar.com/Magazines/CZ/CZ-75B-85B-SP-01-Shadow-17-High-Cap-Flush-Fit
Yes, but you can get much better prices on them from Greg Cote:
http://gregcotellc.com/cart/eaa-witness-sar-k2-b6p-mecgar-c-134/eaa-sar-k2p-eaa-sar-b6p-9mm-19-rd-see-info-below-mgcz7519afc-p-1381.html
Post by: SnyperX on October 10, 2016, 12:51:07 PM
This these will fit the B6P?
http://shop.mec-gar.com/Magazines/CZ/CZ-75B-85B-SP-01-Shadow-19-High-Cap-Extended
http://shop.mec-gar.com/Magazines/CZ/CZ-75B-85B-SP-01-Shadow-17-High-Cap-Flush-Fit
Yes, but you can get much better prices on them from Greg Cote:
http://gregcotellc.com/cart/eaa-witness-sar-k2-b6p-mecgar-c-134/eaa-sar-k2p-eaa-sar-b6p-9mm-19-rd-see-info-below-mgcz7519afc-p-1381.html
Looks like I'll grabbing a 17 and a 19 :-)
Post by: homewrecker07 on December 20, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
Post by: jwc007 on December 20, 2016, 07:30:32 PM
Is there an already existing google doc that has all this?
Nope
Post by: nmcarbine on January 04, 2017, 09:54:54 PM
Are these the correct mags for the SAR Arms B6P 9mm?
http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/eaa/sar-b6-full-size-magazine-9mm-17rd/
Just want to make sure I got the right ones before ordering... Thanks!
I have one in my hand and the printed label on the wrapper says B6P 17+1 and they are what I sell with and are identical to what is with the K2P so I assume they are the correct ones.
Post by: nmcarbine on January 10, 2017, 01:25:55 PM
Post by: nmcarbine on January 21, 2017, 04:37:14 PM
Post by: whiskeybravo on February 11, 2017, 08:17:00 AM
Anyway, I was disappointed to find out the TriStar C-100 does not "lock" in the CZ compact magazine I insert. The reverse situation, though, does not have the same problem: My CZ compact correctly receives a magazine from the TriStar C-100.
Has anyone else had this same observation? And, in this type of general situation, is there a best course of action to follow? (perhaps, contact TriStar first, followed by a who-cares rejection from them, or maybe get a response of "yeah, we know about that, send us the two original TriStar magazines and we'll replace them") ??
I'm not about to take on any milling operation myself.
Thanks in advance for your replies.
-WB
Post by: jaegersapper on January 25, 2020, 03:43:41 PM
My Sphinx SDP mags fit and function perfectly in my CZ p-01. But the CZ p-01 mags are about an 1/8 inch too short and will not lock in the Sphinx.
Having FTF issues with my Jericho 45. I think I'll try witness 45 mags.
Jaeger out
Post by: jwc007 on January 25, 2020, 06:46:31 PM
Having FTF issues with my Jericho 45. I think I'll try witness 45 mags.
Mec-Gar .45 Witness Magazines should work.
FWIW, I've cured problems with my Witness Magazines with Wolff +10% strength Magazine Springs.
Also, depending upon how old your Jericho .45 is, there was a change to the Magazine Latch in the late 1990's.
The newer Magazine Latch holds the Magazine a bit higher in the Frame for better feeding.
I replaced the Magazine Latch in my 1992 era .45 Witness and it's been great.
Post by: Bullitt on March 12, 2020, 02:51:56 AM
Anyone have any thoughts?
Also, to help add more info to the compatibility list:
Jericho 941R accepts and locks open on the following magazines:
- new production IWI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- CZ 75B 16 round mags with metal baseplate
- CZ 75B 10 round / short body mags with plastic baseplate
CZ 75B accepts and locks open on the following magazines:
- original IMI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- new production IWI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
Tanfoglio BTA90 accepts and locks open on the following magazines (all protrude from bottom):
- original IMI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- new production IWI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- CZ 75B 16 round mags with metal baseplate
- CZ 75B 10 round / short body mags with plastic baseplate
Everything appears to be interchangeable except the BTA90 mag is to short to fit in the full-size guns.
Post by: jwc007 on March 12, 2020, 03:04:09 PM
I just purchased a Tanfoglio BTA90 that only came with one magazine. The original mags have a very nice a machined metal baseplate but they seem to be few and far between, so I'm looking for other options. The two most promising I've come across are this Magnum Research magazine (https://gunmagwarehouse.com/magnum-research-baby-desert-eagle-9mm-12-round-compact-magazine.html) and this EAA / Tanfoglio magazine (http://gregcotellc.com/cart/eaa-witness-mecgar-magazines-c-134/eaa-witness-compact-baby-eagle-tz-75-compact-13-rd-9mm-eaa913c-p-1912.html). For some reason the latter link says it doesn't fit in the BTA90, but for the life of me I can't figure out why it wouldn't. I would prefer that magazine over the Magnum Research one because the baseplate is going to match the contour of the frame better.
Anyone have any thoughts?
Unusual, because my Series 88 TA90 Compact will accept and run with the Small Frame Compact Witness Magazines.
Got a deal on some surplus Small Frame Witness Magazines and they've been excellent.
Could be someone got a hold of a pre-Series 88 Compact TA90 and tried those Magazines in it.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZoD2iPzl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ZoD2iPz)
Series Compact TA90
Post by: Bullitt on March 14, 2020, 01:25:28 AM
Unusual, because my Series 88 TA90 Compact will accept and run with the Small Frame Compact Witness Magazines.
Got a deal on some surplus Small Frame Witness Magazines and they've been excellent.
Could be someone got a hold of a pre-Series 88 Compact TA90 and tried those Magazines in it.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZoD2iPzl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ZoD2iPz)
Series Compact TA90
Did yours come with the ambidextrous safety or is it aftermarket?
Post by: jwc007 on March 14, 2020, 07:09:32 PM
Did yours come with the ambidextrous safety or is it aftermarket?
Both my Full Size and Compact Series 88 TA90's came with the Ambidextrous Safety Installed and it was Standard OEM for that build.
Early in the production cycle, they installed the Right Side only Safeties, using up parts from the previous models,
and I have seen examples of both.
Post by: Bullitt on March 14, 2020, 08:24:28 PM
Both my Full Size and Compact Series 88 TA90's came with the Ambidextrous Safety Installed and it was Standard OEM for that build.
Early in the production cycle, they installed the Right Side only Safeties, using up parts from the previous models,
and I have seen examples of both.
Mine has a 1988 production code, so that would explain it.
Post by: Practical Shooter on March 15, 2020, 07:55:14 AM
I just purchased a Tanfoglio BTA90 that only came with one magazine. The original mags have a very nice a machined metal baseplate but they seem to be few and far between, so I'm looking for other options. The two most promising I've come across are this Magnum Research magazine (https://gunmagwarehouse.com/magnum-research-baby-desert-eagle-9mm-12-round-compact-magazine.html) and this EAA / Tanfoglio magazine (http://gregcotellc.com/cart/eaa-witness-mecgar-magazines-c-134/eaa-witness-compact-baby-eagle-tz-75-compact-13-rd-9mm-eaa913c-p-1912.html). For some reason the latter link says it doesn't fit in the BTA90, but for the life of me I can't figure out why it wouldn't. I would prefer that magazine over the Magnum Research one because the baseplate is going to match the contour of the frame better.
Anyone have any thoughts?
Also, to help add more info to the compatibility list:
Jericho 941R accepts and locks open on the following magazines:
- new production IWI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- CZ 75B 16 round mags with metal baseplate
- CZ 75B 10 round / short body mags with plastic baseplate
CZ 75B accepts and locks open on the following magazines:
- original IMI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- new production IWI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
Tanfoglio BTA90 accepts and locks open on the following magazines (all protrude from bottom):
- original IMI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- new production IWI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- CZ 75B 16 round mags with metal baseplate
- CZ 75B 10 round / short body mags with plastic baseplate
Everything appears to be interchangeable except the BTA90 mag is to short to fit in the full-size guns.
If you don't mind, I am borrowing your list and add some more to it.
Jericho 941R accepts and locks open on the following magazines:
- new production IWI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- CZ 75B 16 round mags with metal baseplate
- CZ 75B 10 round / short body mags with plastic baseplate
CZ 75B accepts and locks open on the following magazines:
- original IMI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- new production IWI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- All Canik P120 and similar full size frames
Tanfoglio BTA90 accepts and locks open on the following magazines (all protrude from bottom):
- original IMI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- new production IWI 16 round mag with metal baseplate
- CZ 75B 16 round mags with metal baseplate
- CZ 75B 10 round / short body mags with plastic baseplate
Canik Full frames CZ clones (Tristar) accepts and locks open on the following magazines:
- all CZ 75b and comparable full size frames
Post by: Bullitt on March 16, 2020, 10:05:19 PM
I just purchased a Tanfoglio BTA90 that only came with one magazine. The original mags have a very nice a machined metal baseplate but they seem to be few and far between, so I'm looking for other options. The two most promising I've come across are this Magnum Research magazine (https://gunmagwarehouse.com/magnum-research-baby-desert-eagle-9mm-12-round-compact-magazine.html) and this EAA / Tanfoglio magazine (http://gregcotellc.com/cart/eaa-witness-mecgar-magazines-c-134/eaa-witness-compact-baby-eagle-tz-75-compact-13-rd-9mm-eaa913c-p-1912.html). For some reason the latter link says it doesn't fit in the BTA90, but for the life of me I can't figure out why it wouldn't. I would prefer that magazine over the Magnum Research one because the baseplate is going to match the contour of the frame better.
I just got the one from Greg Cote LLC in the mail and I can see why it's claimed as not being compatible with the BTA90. It will lock into my pistol, but only with a hard smack to seat it. A few tenths of a millimeter of tolerance here and there, and it might not work in other pistols of the same type.
The problem appears to be that there isn't quite enough distance between the catch and the top of the baseplate. The plastic baseplate on this one is quite a bit thicker where it grabs over the magazine body than my OEM metal baseplate. To make this mag work better I will probably either open up the catch recess or shave down the top of the baseplate.
On a purely aesthetic note, the plastic baseplate does not match the contour of the frame and juts forward by about 3/32". I will probably re-profile it to match with a file or sander.
Post by: jwc007 on March 17, 2020, 05:07:03 PM
The problem appears to be that there isn't quite enough distance between the catch and the top of the baseplate. The plastic baseplate on this one is quite a bit thicker where it grabs over the magazine body than my OEM metal baseplate. To make this mag work better I will probably either open up the catch recess or shave down the top of the baseplate.
I would shave down the top of the Baseplate and leave Magazine Catch Notch alone, but that's just me.
Disassemble the Magazine and see if the Magazine Body without it's Baseplate will Latch in, first.
Post by: TonyW1989 on March 30, 2020, 02:00:56 PM
Post by: jwc007 on March 30, 2020, 04:21:12 PM
My brother has a Mod. TA90 Cal 9mm parabellum armi fratelli TANFOGLIO spa.... And is unable to find compatible magazines... I want to surprise him for his birthday with something that will fit and work properly... HELP
Hard to say without knowing exactly which model Vintage your brothers Pistol is.
Pre-series 88 Tanfoglio Pistols will use Pre-B Cz75 Magazines.
(http://i.imgur.com/X3ssw94l.jpg) (https://imgur.com/X3ssw94)
Pre-Series 88 Tanfoglio Tz75/TA90
Series 88 and later Tanfoglio Pistols can use Mec-Gar Cz75B Magazines and current small frame 9mm EAA Witness Magazines
(http://i.imgur.com/kfkfVr7l.jpg) (https://imgur.com/kfkfVr7)
Tanfoglio TA90 Series 88 with Mec-Gar 19 round Cz75B Magazine
Tanfoglio/RIA MAP1 with Mec-Gar 19 round Cz75B Magazine
Post by: TonyW1989 on April 02, 2020, 09:50:22 PM
Post by: jwc007 on April 03, 2020, 03:02:35 PM
I found out that it's a AU Model year.
That would place manufacture somewhere between 1988 and 1989. Posting a pic of it would help matters in determining it's exact configuration, but with what info you have provided, I believe that it is a Series 88 Tanfoglio Pistol.
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Post by: CaptainKniferun on December 20, 2020, 09:29:54 PM
I own a SAR 2000 and a CZ 75B pistol both in stainless steel. The CZ magazines will not work in the SAR 2000 but the SAR 2000 magazines will work in the CZ 75B they stick out the bottom by about 1/16". The CZ 75B magazines would not lock up in the pistol. My brothers CZ SP01 magazines would work in the SAR 2000. Really like the SAR 2000 it is more capable than I am.Just got my hands on one myself. Can confirm OEM CZ-75 magazines will not work with the SAR 2000, they don't quite reach high enough to lock in, despite locking the slide back if held in place. I will add that Mec gar CZ 75 17 round magazines, while requiring a firm smack, will seat inside the gun, and lock back. Will need ammo and time to see if there's any issues using them inside the gun.
Post by: kabic on March 16, 2022, 10:09:10 PM
What fits the B6P:
ACT 17 round magazine
Mecgar 19 round
Mecgar 17 round if you smack it in hard
CM9 does not fit, won't lock in
What fits CM9
ACT 17 round magazine
Mecgar 19 round
Mecgar 17 round
B6P but there is a small gap.
Post by: CZMikey on April 07, 2022, 06:31:40 PM
They would not latch in, not even slamming.
Filed off a mm or two from the top of the plastic followers, now they latch in perfectly. 8)
Just my 2 cents.
Post by: SlimTim on October 09, 2023, 05:28:12 PM
Dug out a Tanfoglio TA-90 that I bought somewhere around 2014ish. Nice gun, would like at least one more mag for it, perhaps a few. I gather it's not so simple. Here are the vitals:
Model: TA-90 as previously stated
Date Code: AN (born on date 1985, right?)
Serial Prefix: AB (I gather not relevant)
Twixt all the model numbers and manufacturer names tossed about, I'm thoroughly lost. I'm thinking I need a CZ75 pre B mag, but again, I'm confused. Hep a brother out please!
(https://i.imgur.com/CUlebkUh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cqFcfDMh.jpg)
Post by: jwc007 on October 10, 2023, 03:57:26 AM
Howdy, hoping this old post still has life and can offer some 4-1-1 for a confused old guy.
Dug out a Tanfoglio TA-90 that I bought somewhere around 2014ish. Nice gun, would like at least one more mag for it, perhaps a few. I gather it's not so simple. Here are the vitals:
Model: TA-90 as previously stated
Date Code: AN (born on date 1985, right?)
Serial Prefix: AB (I gather not relevant)
Twixt all the model numbers and manufacturer names tossed about, I'm thoroughly lost. I'm thinking I need a CZ75 pre B mag, but again, I'm confused. Hep a brother out please!
You are quite correct in that your Pistol is of the Pre-Series 88 configuration and that a Pre-B Cz75 Magazine should work in it.
However, Pre-B Cz75 Magazines are quite scarce and expensive these days. But there is another option.
There is a frame modification that may allow you to use more modern small frame Tanfoglio Magazines and Mec-Gar Cz75B 17 and 19 round Magazines. See this thread: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=39056.0
Post by: SlimTim on October 11, 2023, 03:42:58 PM
You are quite correct in that your Pistol is of the Pre-Series 88 configuration and that a Pre-B Cz75 Magazine should work in it.
However, Pre-B Cz75 Magazines are quite scarce and expensive these days. But there is another option.
There is a frame modification that may allow you to use more modern small frame Tanfoglio Magazines and Mec-Gar Cz75B 17 and 19 round Magazines. See this thread: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=39056.0
Thanks for the response! I'll check the link for the mod, I'm reluctant to mess with such things unless very simple as God supplied me with 10 thumbs.
I have located a magazine described as a TZ-75 mag, did they come in more than one flavor, or should it work for my TA-90? Thanks again!
Post by: jwc007 on October 11, 2023, 05:34:56 PM
I have located a magazine described as a TZ-75 mag, did they come in more than one flavor, or should it work for my TA-90? Thanks again!
Tz75's and TA90's were basically the same Pistol, imported by different vendors. Trouble is, there were both Pre-Series 88 models and Series 88 Models.