Colt will ruin CZ.

[Hammer Time]

Except that Sig is actually cranking out new models at an impressive rate. One can debate whether every new Sig variation actually constitues a "new model" or not, but the fact is, Sig is selling the crap out of pistols these days. CZ is not doing that.

Sig may be continuously cranking out new models, but they have a nasty reputation for suddenly  dropping parts and customer support on the previous models, leaving their customers in a lurch. For that reason alone, I would never buy another Sig product under the current management.

In my experience, sure, that has happened with some models that have been discontinued. But I've owned numerous Sigs for years, and have not experienced that with any of the Sigs I own - P229, P226, P220. I'm not sure how long one should reasonably expect a company to continue to support something they don't make any more - a few years?

Regardless, I'm not trying to make this about Sig, or about a comparison between the two brands. I was only pointing out that we really haven't seen much new from CZ (or Colt or DW) in quite a while. And while I'm sure there will be people who arew perfectly happy with what these brands already offer, and don't personally care if they release anything new, I don't think it's a realistic, sustainable business model to just keep churning out the same stuff year after year.

[Claymore504]

Not sure how mods feel about referring to other CZ forums so I won't post link.

Word on the interwebs is that CZ is handing over all US operations over to Colt.  Colt is taking over production in the US and laying off CZ-USA assembly workers.

P-10's won't be made in the US anymore.

If that is true I agree as well. That would possibly be the worst business decision that CZ could make.


If that’s true, then CZ is committing brand suicide in the US and Colt / CZ USA will be bankrupt again in a couple of years.

[sevt_chevelle]

Yep.
Just read a series of posts on another forum from a CZ USA employee.  All production is headed to Colt.

Sounds like CZ USA in Kansas city is done.

[M300Pilot]

OK that stinks because I was born in KCK and that was part of the allure of CZ to me.  If I recall they just opened up shop in KCK when I started looking to buy something.  After I started researching I discovered they made terrific firearms.

[Hammer Time]

Yep.
Just read a series of posts on another forum from a CZ USA employee.  All production is headed to Colt.

Sounds like CZ USA in Kansas city is done.

[AZ_GunGuy]

I'm worried about quality control issues if Colt is taking over manufacturing 

[rgunner1]

Some big changes at CZ USA this week.

Details?

Sorry that was vague. Trying to determine if the change is public or not.

Is that with the reorganisation ( retrenching) of CZ USA Management and personal....

[RSR]

Not sure how mods feel about referring to other CZ forums so I won't post link.

Word on the interwebs is that CZ is handing over all US operations over to Colt.  Colt is taking over production in the US and laying off CZ-USA assembly workers.

P-10's won't be made in the US anymore.

If that’s true, then CZ is committing brand suicide in the US and Colt / CZ USA will be bankrupt again in a couple of years.

+1

[RSR]

Yep. Just read a series of posts on another forum from a CZ USA employee.  All production is headed to Colt.

Sounds like CZ USA in Kansas city is done.

+1

[RSR]

FWIW, it looks like the source was Reddit and the user was deleted as well as the post -- which doesn't speak well to veracity of the claims: https://www.reddit.com/r/CZFirearms/comments/wlsf49/ex_czusa_employee_ama/

Read through comments and looks to be informed/legit, but can't see the original post in the thread.

If legit, main takeaways are KC factory is dead (so too is proposed AR factory) as are US-made P10s.  Bren 2 is dead for US consumer market.  Dan Wesson is likely to die.  Scorpion 3+ may be dead.  Colt in their CT factory is to do any/all US-assembly/modifications.

Stopped replying 7-8 hours ago (from timestamp of this post), so likely deleted around that time...

[Earl Keese]

Looks like someone reminded them that they signed an NDA with their employee handbook or some such.

[Claymore504]

All of these rumors are truly troubling. I wish someone with a true inside connection, or even a CZ rep was on this forum. These speculated decisions make zero sense from a business outlook. Why would you spend the money on a failed company and have them keep running the show and even fully rely on them by shutting down a well established facility!? If this information it true though, that leaves my confidence in CZ-USA pretty depleted and questioning me staying with CZ as a customer. I am already highly disapointed in CZ's demise of their LE/MIL program. The excellent customer service keeps me hanging on, but if Colt screws that up, then some hard choices will be made for sure.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

These speculated decisions make zero sense from a business outlook. Why would you spend the money on a failed company and have them keep running the show and even fully rely on them by shutting down a well established facility!?

Until we actually get some truth from the people who actually know this truly is just speculation. To that one can only speculate as to why companies make such nonsensical decisions as is being discussed here.
Without mentioning names my wife is a statistician for a company here in the US that merged with a company in Germany a few years back. The German based corp. was in a situation much like Colt and yet the US based corp. went ahead and allowed the Germans to oversee much of the US based manufacturing and to say the least it has been a disaster. No one can explain the foolishness behind these decisions.

[MeatAxe]

These speculated decisions make zero sense from a business outlook. Why would you spend the money on a failed company and have them keep running the show and even fully rely on them by shutting down a well established facility!?

Until we actually get some truth from the people who actually know this truly is just speculation. To that one can only speculate as to why companies make such nonsensical decisions as is being discussed here.
Without mentioning names my wife is a statistician for a company here in the US that merged with a company in Germany a few years back. The German based corp. was in a situation much like Colt and yet the US based corp. went ahead and allowed the Germans to oversee much of the US based manufacturing and to say the least it has been a disaster. No one can explain the foolishness behind these decisions.

Yeah, but this rumor is just the kind of stupidest case scenario that’s become all too plausible these days.

[RSR]

These speculated decisions make zero sense from a business outlook. Why would you spend the money on a failed company and have them keep running the show and even fully rely on them by shutting down a well established facility!?

Until we actually get some truth from the people who actually know this truly is just speculation. To that one can only speculate as to why companies make such nonsensical decisions as is being discussed here.
Without mentioning names my wife is a statistician for a company here in the US that merged with a company in Germany a few years back. The German based corp. was in a situation much like Colt and yet the US based corp. went ahead and allowed the Germans to oversee much of the US based manufacturing and to say the least it has been a disaster. No one can explain the foolishness behind these decisions.

Speculation from employee is that the Colt brand is held in such high regard in Europe that they didn't realize all of its boondoggles and relatively low regard held by the American consumer who has seen their dysfunction first-hand, hence the decline in the prestige of the brand.

For instance -- anyone remember the Colt-branded silver steel cased ammo produced by Russia's Barnaul a few years back?