New Shadow 2 Compact

[timmy75]

I'll investigate parts interchangeability further once the guns hit the shelves. If the mags and grips don't interchange then that'll be a deal breaker for me.

grips do not interchange with anything, even with existing compacts. mags do fit like anything from 75 series

Has anyone confirmed that it doesn't have a firing pin block or are we just assuming the internals are the same as the full size S2?

there is no FPB, as you can see
internals should be the same as regular sh2

IMHO why CZUB released this model:

Lets say P-01 production cost is $200. They sell it for $600 in USA. CZ made $400. People spending extra $600 for CGW parts and optic cut. So, from $1200 someone spent on P-01, CZ got only $400.

S2 compact production cost is probably lower, lets say $150 due less parts and simpler mechanism than decocker P-01. They sell it for $1300 and made $1150. If I were CZ I would market it as "best carry option".

Here in the EU you can't buy regular (non omega) P-01, probably because low profit per unit for CZ, and non-existent EDC market (except Czech Republic)

EDIT:

Pricing in Czech Republic



1000 Czech Koruna = 44.78 USD

[Auslander]

I’m left scratching my head. People can debate the need for a FPB, but everyone has a different tolerance for risk.  For me, personally, the FPB is added protection against the part of me that is human. Call it an added tragedy preventer.

In my opinion it’s lazy engineering and marketing. No need to put in any effort to engineer a P01 or PCR to allow for a nice low CO ready pistol. Instead, you take another design that is marketed for competition, that is more mechanically simple, and chop the slide and frame to compete against three other designs that you currently market. Four if you include the DWX compact.

My opinion only, but still a head scratcher.


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[crager67]

just saw a video where the user swapped magazines between the Shadow 2 compact and a P01. he also said the quarter-cock position of the hammer down negates the need for a FPB.

[Auslander]

just saw a video where the user swapped magazines between the Shadow 2 compact and a P01. he also said the quarter-cock position of the hammer down negates the need for a FPB.

The FPB prevents the firing pin from moving under inertia should the pistol be dropped and land in a muzzle down position. Similar to the Series-80 1911’s and the mechanism in the Sig Classic pistols.

The half-cock is similar to the intercept notch on the 1911 and Sig hammers.  It helps mitigate unintended hammer drops but does not prevent inertial movement of the firing pin. That is mitigated by the FP spring.  A lot depends upon the mass of the firing pin and the force subjected to the pistol.

Exceptionally low probability event but so is winning the lottery.

Peace.


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[rbuzz00]

We can discuss the Shadow 2 Compact all we want.  Some will be enthusiastic about it and some not so much, but I for one will definitely get one when they are available.

No matter what others think about it, the Shadow 2 Compact at $1299 MSRP,  IMO is a tremendous value when compared to the DW DWX Compact at $1999 MSRP, and the Shadow 2 Compact comes optic ready.  I can't understand nor justify the $700 (more if you consider the optic cut) price difference between the two models.  I would imagine the DW might feature a bit more hand finishing which is a plus, and it does have a DLC finish and advertises no MIM parts (not sure if the CZ has MIM parts or not) but is that worth $700 more? Other than those mentioned differences, both models are very similar in size, weight, and overall features and performance.

I just purchased a DWX Compact and have only had it to the range one time so far, so it may be a bit premature, but as much as I like it,  I hate to admit that I came away a little bit underwhelmed with it. It didn't really perform any better than the Kimber KDS9C ($1499 MSRP) that I also recently acquired. No doubt that the DWX Compact is built better, with no MIM, a 1911 style trigger and DLC finish, but actual feel in the hands and performance are very, very similar. I actually shot the Kimber better than the DWX.

That's pretty much my anticipation for the Shadow 2 Compact when compared to the DWX Compact. Both will perform very similarly, but the CZ will be significantly less expensive that the DWX.  Any perceived advantages of one model over the other will be like splitting hairs.
 

[Joe A.]

I realize this may be apples and oranges, but I remember all the uproar when Colt added a FPB to the Series 80 1911 series of pistols. People was highly critical of it. Now CZ introduces their Shadow 2 Compact without a FPB and people have been critical of that on multiple firearm forums.

Personally, I would prefer a FPB but not having one would not be a deal breaker for me.

[rbuzz00]

I did't realize that the Shadow2 Compact had hit the shelves yet and was just goofin' around on the computer when I found one....at a price I couldn't refuse.

Before I realized it, it was in my shopping cart and I hit the "Place order" button.  So, in a few days I should be receiving my new Shadow2 Compact.

I keep telling myself that the last new gun was the last, but it's not often that CZ comes out with a new pistol. Oh well, it will only hurt for a little while.

[Fuzzy Sights]

Will have to place this on my new purchases list.  Like the idea of a 4 inch barrel on an AL frame for carry.  FPB is not a deal breaker for me. Having the same grip angle and trigger of my home defense pistol and occasional match gun is a big plus.  Now I just wish they would make it 40.

JW

[vern56]

Local shop had one in yesterday. 1299. I handled it and really like it. Felt and balanced great. Nicely finished. Trigger was very good.

Very tempting

[sevt_chevelle]

Bought one Tuesday.
Mags are compact mags.
Tried the oem rubber grips, they would need some massage to fit.

The front and rear checking is not like the S2, we're the S2 has a built up pad then cut.  This is pretty much cut right into the frame.
Also, by doing so the back strap is flat, so when you install regular compact grips, the grips stick out in the back some.

The barrel has the same dimensions as the compact models but uses the .550 barrel dia, so barrels don't interchange.

Also uses a captive recoil spring and a steel guide rod....oh the horror.

[rbuzz00]

Another new Shadow 2 Compact owner.  Just picked it up yesterday but I can already tell it's going to be great.

Just for comparison.....a Dan Wesson DW Compact.

[Tanners Owner]

Am curious of your comparison/ assessment of the two after you shoot them

Another new Shadow 2 Compact owner.  Just picked it up yesterday but I can already tell it's going to be great.

Just for comparison.....a Dan Wesson DW Compact.

[rbuzz00]

I'm planning on getting to the range by this weekend.  I'll give my impressions after that.

You might be interested in this new review:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyJRpp4Bp9Y

[PA USPSA]

My Shadow 2 will only chamber 124 grain FMJ ammo.  124 grain JHP or 147 grain (FMJ and JHP) ammo won't fit in the chamber.  Does the Shadow 2 Compact have the same limitations?

[Wobbly]

My Shadow 2 will only chamber 124 grain FMJ ammo.  124 grain JHP or 147 grain (FMJ and JHP) ammo won't fit in the chamber.

I don't think you can make that statement based on the high probability that you simply have not tried EVERY brand of 124gr JHP on the market.

It's the bullet-to-barrel fit that determines suitability of the ammo, not the weight or style. In this situation, brand will have more to do with fit than prejudicial statements about a whole class of ammo. This is the situation with most CZ models.

Read more here: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=114236.0

If you really prefer the performance of JHP or 147gr bullets then you need to control the manufacture of the ammo yourself. IOW, consider taking up reloading as a sub-hobby. Reloading can then support and actually improve your gun's performance and safety.

Read more here: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=100352.0

All the best.