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Offline Thebillsman

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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #135 on: September 21, 2017, 10:02:30 PM »
I just want a black one  :-\

CZ Customs has all colors in stock, If you can deal with the outrageous shipping prices  (see rant above) =)

Black is out of stock.

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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #136 on: September 21, 2017, 10:24:08 PM »
Ok, so I just installed by HBI trigger, and I'm having a slight issue. If I pull the trigger back very slowly, it sometimes doesn't want to release the striker. It's like it hits the "wall" at the back of the trigger, but you have to push harder against the "wall" to get the striker to release. Not sure if my explanation makes sense, but it doesn't do this all the time, just SOMETIMES when i press the trigger VERY slowly. It's like it's hanging up on something, but Idk what it could be.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Are you using the 3.5lb striker spring by chance? I just installed a HB trigger in my P10c and get the exact same thing happening, but only with the 3.5lb Spring. The factory one and the 3lb HB spring don't do this. Maybe it has something to do with it being longer, perhaps it is rubbing something just enough somewhere. Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge can shed some light.

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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #137 on: September 21, 2017, 10:33:56 PM »
Ok, so I just installed by HBI trigger, and I'm having a slight issue. If I pull the trigger back very slowly, it sometimes doesn't want to release the striker. It's like it hits the "wall" at the back of the trigger, but you have to push harder against the "wall" to get the striker to release. Not sure if my explanation makes sense, but it doesn't do this all the time, just SOMETIMES when i press the trigger VERY slowly. It's like it's hanging up on something, but Idk what it could be.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Are you using the 3.5lb striker spring by chance? I just installed a HB trigger in my P10c and get the exact same thing happening, but only with the 3.5lb Spring. The factory one and the 3lb HB spring don't do this. Maybe it has something to do with it being longer, perhaps it is rubbing something just enough somewhere. Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge can shed some light.
I didn't change any springs. Just the shoe.

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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #138 on: September 22, 2017, 10:57:27 AM »
Ok, so I just installed by HBI trigger, and I'm having a slight issue. If I pull the trigger back very slowly, it sometimes doesn't want to release the striker. It's like it hits the "wall" at the back of the trigger, but you have to push harder against the "wall" to get the striker to release. Not sure if my explanation makes sense, but it doesn't do this all the time, just SOMETIMES when i press the trigger VERY slowly. It's like it's hanging up on something, but Idk what it could be.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Are you using the 3.5lb striker spring by chance? I just installed a HB trigger in my P10c and get the exact same thing happening, but only with the 3.5lb Spring. The factory one and the 3lb HB spring don't do this. Maybe it has something to do with it being longer, perhaps it is rubbing something just enough somewhere. Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge can shed some light.
I didn't change any springs. Just the shoe.

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The trigger on my FDE P-10 started doing this lately even after I swapped back in the factory trigger.  It's not the trigger but a combination of the trigger bar and the striker sleeve.  Compared to my black trigger bar, the "hook" that catches the striker leg sticks up about 1/8" higher when fully back.  Normally, it's still low enough to release the striker except when the slide and slide plate are pushed down.  The striker liner is flexible enough to allow the whole assembly to squeeze slightly out of the slide's striker channel.  The resulting lowering of the striker leg, means the trigger bar can't move down far enough to cleanly release it.  If I push the cover plate up, it raises the striker enough to release from the trigger bar.  I swapped, strikers, trigger bars, connectors, and the rear housings around, but the only thing that made a difference was the trigger bar.  Examining the two, the lug on the FDE is cut lower, resulting in a higher "hook".  Not sure of a solution yet, short of filing down the shelf or striker leg.  I'm going to post pics/video this evening when I got home from work.

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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #139 on: September 22, 2017, 11:20:58 AM »
Ok, so I just installed by HBI trigger, and I'm having a slight issue. If I pull the trigger back very slowly, it sometimes doesn't want to release the striker. It's like it hits the "wall" at the back of the trigger, but you have to push harder against the "wall" to get the striker to release. Not sure if my explanation makes sense, but it doesn't do this all the time, just SOMETIMES when i press the trigger VERY slowly. It's like it's hanging up on something, but Idk what it could be.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Are you using the 3.5lb striker spring by chance? I just installed a HB trigger in my P10c and get the exact same thing happening, but only with the 3.5lb Spring. The factory one and the 3lb HB spring don't do this. Maybe it has something to do with it being longer, perhaps it is rubbing something just enough somewhere. Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge can shed some light.
I didn't change any springs. Just the shoe.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

The trigger on my FDE P-10 started doing this lately even after I swapped back in the factory trigger.  It's not the trigger but a combination of the trigger bar and the striker sleeve.  Compared to my black trigger bar, the "hook" that catches the striker leg sticks up about 1/8" higher when fully back.  Normally, it's still low enough to release the striker except when the slide and slide plate are pushed down.  The striker liner is flexible enough to allow the whole assembly to squeeze slightly out of the slide's striker channel.  The resulting lowering of the striker leg, means the trigger bar can't move down far enough to cleanly release it.  If I push the cover plate up, it raises the striker enough to release from the trigger bar.  I swapped, strikers, trigger bars, connectors, and the rear housings around, but the only thing that made a difference was the trigger bar.  Examining the two, the lug on the FDE is cut lower, resulting in a higher "hook".  Not sure of a solution yet, short of filing down the shelf or striker leg.  I'm going to post pics/video this evening when I got home from work.

I'm looking forward to your video. I've got a black P10, put the 3lb striker spring back in and this issue has gone away. If I pull the trigger exceedingly slow it will sort of do this, but any regular trigger pull seems fine for now.

Offline earlan357

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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #140 on: September 22, 2017, 12:05:21 PM »
Ok, so I just installed by HBI trigger, and I'm having a slight issue. If I pull the trigger back very slowly, it sometimes doesn't want to release the striker. It's like it hits the "wall" at the back of the trigger, but you have to push harder against the "wall" to get the striker to release. Not sure if my explanation makes sense, but it doesn't do this all the time, just SOMETIMES when i press the trigger VERY slowly. It's like it's hanging up on something, but Idk what it could be.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Are you using the 3.5lb striker spring by chance? I just installed a HB trigger in my P10c and get the exact same thing happening, but only with the 3.5lb Spring. The factory one and the 3lb HB spring don't do this. Maybe it has something to do with it being longer, perhaps it is rubbing something just enough somewhere. Hopefully someone with a bit more knowledge can shed some light.
I didn't change any springs. Just the shoe.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

The trigger on my FDE P-10 started doing this lately even after I swapped back in the factory trigger.  It's not the trigger but a combination of the trigger bar and the striker sleeve.  Compared to my black trigger bar, the "hook" that catches the striker leg sticks up about 1/8" higher when fully back.  Normally, it's still low enough to release the striker except when the slide and slide plate are pushed down.  The striker liner is flexible enough to allow the whole assembly to squeeze slightly out of the slide's striker channel.  The resulting lowering of the striker leg, means the trigger bar can't move down far enough to cleanly release it.  If I push the cover plate up, it raises the striker enough to release from the trigger bar.  I swapped, strikers, trigger bars, connectors, and the rear housings around, but the only thing that made a difference was the trigger bar.  Examining the two, the lug on the FDE is cut lower, resulting in a higher "hook".  Not sure of a solution yet, short of filing down the shelf or striker leg.  I'm going to post pics/video this evening when I got home from work.

I'm looking forward to your video. I've got a black P10, put the 3lb striker spring back in and this issue has gone away. If I pull the trigger exceedingly slow it will sort of do this, but any regular trigger pull seems fine for now.

At first I thought the 3.5 spring was too long and getting fully compressed, stopping the trigger from moving fully rearward. But it only has 2 more active coils than the 3.0, so I don' t think that's the case.  Maybe the extra friction from the slightly heavier spring, is letting the striker leg get dragged further down.  With striker fired guns, I've always noticed more consistent trigger pulls with a mag full of dummy rounds.  The rounds provide more magazine spring pressure to force the slide to its highest position on the rails, while with no dummy ammo/mag, the slide is pretty much free to rest at any height.  The P-10C has a pretty sloppy slide to rail fit for reliability (normal for striker fired guns) and the cover plate has some movement which exacerbates the inconsistency.  When fitting Ghost connectors with over-travel tabs for my Glocks, I always push the slide down while dry firing to ensure the trigger bar will always release the striker.

The biggest issue is the striker housing.  Since its plastic and open at the rear, the slot can get squeezed if you press the slide cover down, and the spring pressure can hold it there.  I think it's the reason for one FTRTBs I had when the plate dropped enough to hang on the rear of the trigger housing, preventing the last 1/8" of slide travel. Some newer P-10C have a bevel on the slide plate to let it ride back up if it gets too low.  Fortunately, when in battery, the slide plate does limit the amount the striker assembly can drop down.  Short of sending my P-10C back to CZ (I've modified mine enough that I probably voided the warranty) I think the immediate solution is to bevel the bottom front edges of the slide cover plate, and shave 0.010" off the trigger bar on the mill.  I have a feeling I'll be overhauling some of my parts once spares become available.

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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #141 on: September 22, 2017, 07:27:03 PM »
I figured out the problem.  The front of the trigger bar is hitting the bottom corner of the front rail/locking block.  It turns out the factory trigger on my FDE P-10 has been doing this but not enough to really notice.  My trigger bar and locking block have gouges where it's been rubbing for over 1,400 rounds!  Video below.

I just finally got around to disassembling my frame, so I could perform this preemptive fix to avoid the possibility of having any reset problems when I get my HBI trigger.  I was just now taking a look at the area on the rail/locking block that would need to be re-contoured, and was surprised to see that the rounded corners have already been ground down.  I purchased the gun new in Mid-August, so either someone did some work on my "new" gun before I bought it, or perhaps CZ is aware of the potential problem and had already begun performing a quick "fix" while they're assembling them.  It's kind of a rough grind job, not as smooth or "good-looking" as I would expect from the factory.  Anyone here have any thoughts.

I finally figured out how to correctly insert pics.  Here are a couple pics of the "re-contoured" Locking-Block/Rail-Block I noticed when I first disassembled the frame of my new P-10C:



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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #142 on: September 22, 2017, 07:52:00 PM »
Hmmm, I got two HBI trigger kits for my two P10c's. Now all this talk about the need of grinding the internals and working on the springs and whatnot scares me.  Maybe I should leave the guns alone, or better yet have CZ Custom or CGW install the triggers? I like my guns to be 100% reliable and warranty is of value.

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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #143 on: September 22, 2017, 09:36:05 PM »
Hmmm, I got two HBI trigger kits for my two P10c's. Now all this talk about the need of grinding the internals and working on the springs and whatnot scares me.  Maybe I should leave the guns alone, or better yet have CZ Custom or CGW install the triggers? I like my guns to be 100% reliable and warranty is of value.

If you're selling, I'm buying! 


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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #144 on: September 22, 2017, 10:37:11 PM »
Hmmm, I got two HBI trigger kits for my two P10c's. Now all this talk about the need of grinding the internals and working on the springs and whatnot scares me.  Maybe I should leave the guns alone, or better yet have CZ Custom or CGW install the triggers? I like my guns to be 100% reliable and warranty is of value.

Mine went in without issue and has functioned flawlessly since.

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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #145 on: September 23, 2017, 09:53:32 PM »
Installed my blue HBI trigger, picked up from CZ Customs earlier in the week. I live about 10 miles from their shop. Took about 15 min on the kitchen island to install. Functions flawlessly. Used the 3.5lb spring for now, just to give it a whirl. Very happy with it so far.


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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #146 on: September 23, 2017, 11:27:46 PM »
Looks good, Jammer1971.  I still plan on going with the Black (I prefer a "Stock" appearance), but the Blue, as well as the Burnt Orange and Silver, look great.

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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #147 on: September 24, 2017, 04:39:47 PM »
Definitely looks good.

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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #148 on: September 24, 2017, 04:59:02 PM »
Got to the range today to do some live fire with the HB trigger, ran over 100 rounds through with absolutely no problems. Also, the 3lb striker spring put a pretty deep hit on the primers, I can't tell much difference between it and the factory spring impact. I do load all my own ammo and do seat the primers very deep with a slight crush, but the strikes still look about the same as the factory striker spring.

Can definitely say this trigger is a huge improvement over factory. I usually run through 2-300 rounds on a typical range day and the factory trigger really chews into my finger by then.

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Re: HB Industries P10 trigger
« Reply #149 on: October 01, 2017, 07:28:17 PM »
So thanks to Sumoman I got my hands on a tirigger and got it installed in time for my range trip today. Install was not difficult at all and I kept the OEM spring. I put 200 rounds through it and had no issues. The take-up is considerably shorter but the wall/creep/break is identical to stock. I really like the trigger. The face is flat and comfortable, however if your finger slides down after a few rounds the fangs are still present. It's certainly an improvement over stock and I might mess with the springs later down the road.. but for now, it's a nice upgrade as is. Funny enough, the texture of the paint is probably my favorite part.