P-01 Omega Safety Concern?

[Catdaddy2]

Wow! This is happening with just 2017's so far?

[supergunner84]

This thread has over 5000 views and the videos I've made are around the same.  With all of the attention and now video proof it will fail during normal operation, it frustrates me beyond that there is absolutely no comment from CZ.

Pissedoffingly,
SG

[supergunner84]

Wow! This is happening with just 2017's so far?

Only 2017 models so far.

[thedude]

This thread has over 5000 views and the videos I've made are around the same.  With all of the attention and now video proof it will fail during normal operation, it frustrates me beyond that there is absolutely no comment from CZ.

Pissedoffingly,
SG

I doubt that anyone from CZ will comment in this thread about what the issue might be and how they will go about fixing it other than to tell you to send it in.

[supergunner84]

This thread has over 5000 views and the videos I've made are around the same.  With all of the attention and now video proof it will fail during normal operation, it frustrates me beyond that there is absolutely no comment from CZ.

Pissedoffingly,
SG

I doubt that anyone from CZ will comment in this thread about what the issue might be and how they will go about fixing it other than to tell you to send it in.

I know, just irks me. Especially since I sent mine in 2 times and they still never addressed the issue fully.

Cheers,
SG

[twowheels]

 How many folks have actually experienced this failure at the range?  Not too many I suspect.  If you are concerned, just do the dimple fix.  It's simple.  My omega has been perfect but when I could make the safety lever fall off by tipping the gun with the slide back and the ejector lifted up, I dimpled the safety lever before I reinstalled it.  It can't fall off anymore. 

[supergunner84]

How many folks have actually experienced this failure at the range?  Not too many I suspect.  If you are concerned, just do the dimple fix.  It's simple.  My omega has been perfect but when I could make the safety lever fall off by tipping the gun with the slide back and the ejector lifted up, I dimpled the safety lever before I reinstalled it.  It can't fall off anymore.

Yes, there is an easy fix. The issue is that the owners should never have to modify the gun to make it function.

SG

[thedude]

Yes, there is an easy fix. The issue is that the owners should never have to modify the gun to make it function.

SG

I would think David might have more insight about this than the gunsmiths at CZ USA.  Maybe he'll chime in again.   

[supergunner84]

Yes, there is an easy fix. The issue is that the owners should never have to modify the gun to make it function.

SG

I would think David might have more insight about this than the gunsmiths at CZ USA.  Maybe he'll chime in again.   

Hope so, he has a wealth of knowledge.

As shown before, I fixed mine by dimpling, but others may not be so inclined to do the modification. CZs are awesome, but this one has a design issue that the manufacturer has yet to fully address.

I fully intended to use this as my carry gun, but in all honesty it is nothing more than a range piece due to my extreme lack of confidence in the Omega design.

For every one owner that reports this on the forums, there are another 100 that haven't experienced it or assume it is their fault. To me that is scary as this issue can turn a functioning firearm into a paper weight in 3 shots.

Ok rant over, but seriously CZ, step up and take ownership.
SG

[Lawikfors]

Just sent my pistol in this morning (The one in the video that was just posted). I will follow up with what happens and if the pistol is actually fixed. I did let them know that others have sent theirs in and have been returned with the same thing happening again so hopefully they take it seriously and don't just shoot a couple rounds then call it good. The first time it happened it was on the 14th round fired so it took a bit for it to work its way out. Im thinking the problem lies with the ejector being able to be pushed down too easy whether its by recoil or by fired brass slamming into it . Maybe they will put a stiffer spring in . If it happens again then I was thinking of ordering a firing pin block spring and replacing the ejector push down spring with that.

[Lawikfors]

and just looking now it seems the ejector spring and fpb spring are the same part ...

http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/0450000003_Safety-Detent-Plungerejector-Spring-Omega

[supergunner84]

and just looking now it seems the ejector spring and fpb spring are the same part ...

http://shop.cz-usa.com/ProductDetail/0450000003_Safety-Detent-Plungerejector-Spring-Omega

How do you figure? The safety detent and ejector are the same location. No mention of the fbp spring, which is probably much lighter.

Cheers,
SG

[Lawikfors]

As in same part number they use the same spring for two purposes  .. at least for the omega in the p07 which is the same system I believe

[MatthewD]

I don?t know what the little extended metal piece that retains the arm of the spring, but if it was extend further and had a notch underneath it to help keep the spring arm in place would that help keep the spring arm from coming dislocated?

[supergunner84]

I don?t know what the little extended metal piece that retains the arm of the spring, but if it was extend further and had a notch underneath it to help keep the spring arm in place would that help keep the spring arm from coming dislocated?

That is part of the decocker lever. When the lever walks out, the spring never becomes disengaged from that lever. If it did, your idea would work.

The standard 75 has the spring as well as a detent plunger to hold the lever in.  The engineers at CZ removed the detent plunger in favor of only using the ejector.

The only way I see a fix is by creating interference with the right hand side lever, or making the ejector rigid, either py pinning in place or with a spring with a much larger spring rate.

Cheers,
SG