SAR vs Canik quality?

[briang2ad]

Mrgunsngear is a superb reviewer and I respect him.  Yes, generally a positive review, but you drop a gun on a brass cartridge and it gouges the frame?  It verified my handling which showed the plastic on this gun is like none other.

My real point is for newbies who want a bargain gun, and likely this will be it for some time.  It will have to be their SHTF, carry, everything gun, and I think they should steer clear.  Spend a bit more and get a P07.

If you want to use this for a fun gun at the range, car gun - have fun!  Likely it will serve you well, but I just don't trust the plastic on it - its not right.

I picked one up in a gunshop and was really impressed with the trigger and overall design.  Then I saw that the front end flexed like a toy in my hand.  That was a no go, and this just verifies my problem with it.  No other poly gun  is this soft. 

[DF_Hammack]

If you want to make a case, take a Glock and an XD and drop them on hot brass. Even then, you only prove the material is more heat resistant. That proves that ONE case, that they are more temperature resistant. Overall it does not prove that they are "stronger", or that the SAR is any less serviceable under normal circumstances. Since heat resistance is not a problem under normal shooting conditions, this is a real non-issue, and MrGunsnGear treated it as such. Rather than making assumptions based on one incident, properly reported as an error on the reviewers part, find substantive comparisons before stating your assumption as fact. This is what you BELIEVE and that gives you a basis for making YOUR decision. It's now out there for consideration by others. SAR pistols are one of the most reviewed guns on YouTube, and while I haven't seen them all, in the many I have seen, frame integrity has never been an issue. In fact, I have never seen it mentioned in ANY review of any SAR poly frame pistol.

[WiskyT]

You are conflating an awful lot here.  First, there is no glass in a Glock frame, period.  Glass fibers are not latent, they can be seen and felt, especially when the plastic surrounding them is cut/filed/sanded away.  There is also nothing secret about Glocks.

How you jumped from that to the idea that I own a SAR made weapon of any kind is beyond me.  I have never seen, touched, shot or squeezed a SAR of any construction and the CM9 could be a complete POS for all I know.  The polymer used in a CM9 could very well be inferior, I never commented on that one way or the other.

All I said was that Glocks don't have glass fibers reinforcing their frames. 

BTW, how to Glock employees make the guns without seeing how they are made?

As long as the thin, flexible polymer has memory and returns to its' original form that is EXACTLY what you want. Thin, rigid polymer = brittle & more prone to breakage.

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Glass reinforced polymer is the industry standard for a reason. Compare the CM9 Gen 2 to CZ P07, P10C, Glock, S&W, SIG, Steyr, SA XD, HK, etc. etc.

Glocks are the industry standard when it comes to polymer guns and they are not glass fiber reinforced.

Likely misleading.

1) Glock is quite secretive of their materials and process.  Most of their employees never see how parts are made. It seems that industry savvy people believe that they use either glass reinforced polymer OR glass reinforced nylon.

2) Pick up any Glock (or other plastic gun listed and more, and squeeze the end between your fingers.  Then do it to your CM 9 Gen 2.  The 'industry standard feels strong and rigid.  The CM9 feels like a cheap plastic toy. 

3)  Watch the explanation of MrGunsngear and how the OTHER part of the frame was dented easily by a brass casing. 

Thus, it makes me believe that the CM 9 has some inferior plastic being used.

[briang2ad]

Didn't mean to accuse you of owning a CM 9.  I should have said "pick up A CM9 Gen 2".  We know that Glock is not fiberglass and that it IS a composite.  We DON'T know the composition.  Glock is secretive and I have read that folks working there are fairly isolated from the various processes and assembly.  Point:  We don't know the composition.

But again - examine the Glock frame (and any other polymer gun out there) and its night-day compared to the Gen2 CM9.  Shocked me, and reviewers don't pick it up.   And my rant is for guys who cannot afford more than one gun or new folks who wouldn't normally pick this up.  I say pass.

Otherwise, get a cheap blaster and have fun. 

[DF_Hammack]

Maybe reviewers don't "pick it up", because all things considered, it is a non-issue. Perhaps they actually view it as an acceptable manufacturing practice.

[briang2ad]

I just took a loaded Magpul Gen 1 Pmag (5.56), and dropped it from chest high several times on a 9mm round face up, and couldn't produce a mark on it (its the light green color).  So I took the mag and threw it on the casing.  I made a slight mark - no more than you'd make scraping it with your finger nail. Not like on the video.  This PMag isn't even the later model with better polymer. 

All I know is that this CM9 has soft plastic for a frame. If you like that buy it. Heck - maybe this soft plastic is really a tech breakthrough and the next gen guns will all have it.

[DF_Hammack]

Ahhhh, but that wasn't HOT brass just fired from the gun. You have convinced yourself, you are the one that matters to you. But as long as you try to convince others on one bit of inconsequential data, I will continue to refute it. If you want to make a case with bite, find more data. Otherwise you are just blowing smoke.

[briang2ad]

Ahhhh, but that wasn't HOT brass just fired from the gun. You have convinced yourself, you are the one that matters to you. But as long as you try to convince others on one bit of inconsequential data, I will continue to refute it. If you want to make a case with bite, find more data. Otherwise you are just blowing smoke.

  Right.  I am just blowing smoke.

[jwc007]

Back on topic, please! 

[Moken]

I've not held a SAR, if they anywhere close to the Canik I would feel confident. Great value and smooth and reliable is how I feel about my 3 Canik products. The P120 is a joy to shoot and the T100/SharkC aren't far behind at all. The are several SARs I would love to own. I thank everyone for the input!

[Wingster]

I have had my sar B6P 9mm since 2014. I am 53 rounds short of 4000 rounds of 115gr ammo, and have fired 102 rounds of Remington HTP+P. Not one jamb, two misfire. Am very happy with this gun.

[MadDuner]

Yesterday I had my very first stove pipe on a Canik TP-9SF..... and I am pretty sure after 5k rounds of flawlessness - that it was the ammo.

[jwc007]

IMHO, Between my SAR B6P, K2P, and Canik TP9V1, I'm not worried about the Polymer construction of any of them!
The Polymer that Sarsimaz uses is the same as what Tanfoglio uses. 
I've seen a polymer framed Tanfoglio Mid-size Force go 10,000 rounds and be dunked in water to cool it off during one afternoon shoot fest and well survive it.
The Polymer that Canik uses is the same as what Walther uses and Walther quality is excellent.

I've seen both the SAR K2P and Canik TP9 Series Pistols go through some very brutal punishment and come up shooting.
I can't speak to the new SAR CM9's durability, but it has been made with Military Contracts in mind, so I would tend to believe it's battle ready.

[mwj999]

This thread seems to have been resurrected after nearly two years, but I'll jump in. I have two SAR B6Ps, a Tristar S-120 (full size CZ 75B clone) in 9mm, a Tristar C-100 (CZ compact clone) in 9mm, and two more Tristar C-100s in .40S&W. The Tristars, all made by Canik,  are great, and accept after-market tritium sights made for CZs. To my knowledge, no one has any after-market sights for the SAR B6P.

A piece of slide rail broke off the front insert of one of my SAR B6Ps. I'm not sure of the round count. I keep log books on them now. It was quickly fixed, but it happened. So, on the basis of my limited experience, I would say that the Tristars are likely to run without breakage longer. Of course, CDNN is selling the SAR B6Ps for such ridiculously low prices that I'm tempted to get another.  They're actually selling a pink compact verson for $199.99. I wouldn't buy a pink gun because, you know, it wouldn't match my shoes , but some people say that the frame can be painted.

[HollowDawg]

I own several Caniks and one Sar K2 45. all are steel or stainless steel(K2). The Sar quality of manufacturing is at least as good as the Caniks imho. Can't speak to the plastic guns as I don't own one. Each to his own said the man as he kissed the cow. I like steel cows not plastic ones. Mega keeps coming up in conversation but seems to be made of unobtainium with unicorn horn grips. I keep looking but can't find a new one to buy!