New style slide stop spring = no NSN engraving

[HillGuy]

Ah! Well, I sent CZ an e-mail saying that they removed the NSN and there was no explanation in writing. Said i wanted a response IN WRITING. Stated I would NOT post their response verbatim, just wanted to know why good money was spent on a piece that differed from their advertising. Also said it is out on the internet, some folks are irate, some folks don't care, but lack of an explanation was the issue. More of a credibility thing. That said, their products carry a great deal of respect and credibility. As I said mine has an NSN and it matters not to me.. That's me. Bottom line is the second you modify a P01, you are in essence in-violating the NSN and we know folks do that. I do find difference is stamps and various dates interesting. Bought mine 2 weeks ago and need to look at that for the hell of it.

VERY glad they responded on their web site, but it took too long.

djm3801, would you post the date on your test fire sheet and the first 3 digits of the SN. Interesting to see if it's in the Oct. '12 time frame. Bought mine 1/14/13 (online) from a store in Charlotte and it has an Aug. '12 mfg date.

[noorked]

based off the barcode on the case, its a 911991.  last few digits on the label.  i do not see any sku info on the test target.  I'm not certain CZ uses sequential serial numbers.   In the world of military contracts 40k units does not sound like an overwhelming number.    my pro-tek 2  is stamped 12 with a B08xxx prefix.    the 2013 production have yet to be seen, they may exclude as well. 

[djm3801]

I will take a look when i get a chance... Actually I wrote them on behalf of someone.. I myself bought a CZ75 and not a number. That said, they should have handled this better. There is no excuse for someone who lays down good money to get something other than what they paid for. Takes away not from the P-01 but from the business practice of CZ-USA and CZ. Maybe they just "got out" without the number, maybe it was the spring... who knows..

[HillGuy]

based off the barcode on the case, its a 911991.  last few digits on the label.  i do not see any sku info on the test target.

Wierd on the barcode SKU#. Maybe the selling store just entered the wrong #? I don't believe they use a SKU# on the test sheet. That's probably just a CZ=USA thing.

Takes away not from the P-01 but from the business practice of CZ-USA and CZ. Maybe they just "got out" without the number, maybe it was the spring... who knows.

I agree, djm. I'll confess, I'm a bean-counter (accountant) so details DO matter to me! And, it's kind of the principle of the thing, now.
I felt good when I first saw the disclaimer on their website, but now I really think that was added just to appease the purchasers of
the P-01's without the NSN on it. People buying them now that have the proper stamping could care less about their caveat on their website.

At least I have documentation now that my gun is a "real" P-01 in case I decide to sell it down the road (which I'm sure I won't, but my wife might when I'm gone!)

Thanks again for your interest.

[djm3801]

I know someone just like that!! FYI - I am, among other things, a data analyst - well I used to be when I still worked for a living but now I have folks who do that for me.. Square pegs in square holes, etc.  I may not care personally but people are owed an answer. It is not like you got these in a dollar store.

[djm3801]

Test Fire Date 18.04.12/06:32

B069

Has NSN. I am going to have it painted over... KIDDING!! CZ Humor!! Could not resist. I am bad like that...

Hope this helps for whatever purpose. Was talking to David at Cajun gun works - GREAT guy - about this subject today in the course of asking about availability of Tridium sights and other stuff. He was surprised... advised he would be happy to get his hands on ANY.

I had a little issue with feed in mine Sunday.. I hear of a magazine issue that may cause this. Going to likely buy a couple of mags.. Other than  that has been flawless. Good luck with the research...hope this helps.

[hans471]

I know you guys take this serious, but really?  I got my first CZ 75B some years back. I liked it because it was a great pistol. I started wanting a P-01 when they came out.  If the B was so good the P-01 just had to be great.  Finally got my P-01, it was born in '05 and its the green one!!! (With the NATO number). Truthfully, the NATO number didn't mean a thing to me. The fact the pistol was made well enough to endure that test however did.

So, number or no number I like my P-01. Its in the safe, next to its big brother, my new 75B Omega with the night sights. That's another story...where did that pistol come from? Rumors are its an over run...special ordered by some government agency somewhere. Omega trigger, the tritium night sights and came with three magazines. Anyway, I was glad to find it in today's world and at a great price! But I got the last one.

I did see a new P-01 in a shop today but didn't even look to see if the number was on it. Wish I would have read this first, I would have looked.

[HillGuy]

djm3801, don't paint over the NSN on your P-01...send it to me! Pretty good sense of humor for a data analyst

And thanks for the test fire date and SN. Just proves P-01's on either side of my mfg date have the NATO number on it and mine doesn't, for whatever reason. IF mine was an overrun, I didn't do as well as hans471 did with his 75B!

If any problems with mine, I guess I have a 5 year warranty to find them out!

Yours is new, isn't it? If your mags are causing problems, would CZ check them out? More trouble than it's worth, I guess, if it turns out to be something else. If they acknowledge a problem, maybe they'll just replace them!

hans471, congrats on scoring the upgraded 75B! That's how I would have ordered my P-01, but I didn't want to go the custom route on my first pistol.

Long story short, I just wanted to know why my new P-01 lacked the NATO number. That seemed to be such a big part of CZ-USA's marketing effort, but not necessarily what posters on this forum really cared about. It's obvious, they really like their P-01's, NATO number or not.

What made it kind of interesting was it was on P-01's made in 4/12, gone on mine made in 8/12 and back again on P-01's made in 10/12. CZ says the P-01 lost its NATO certification because they started using an "upgraded" slide stop spring. My guess is it was an overrun, but instead of getting an Omega trigger and Tritium sights like you lucked into, mine just looks like a "bastard" P-01 to anyone who really knows the gun!

Anyway, went to the range today and ran a couple hundred rounds through it (mix of WWB, Black Hills steel case and PPU). I have to say it ran flawlessly and it is a really easy shooter. I won't talk about group size right now as this is my first time out BUT, I can tell you I was VERY pleased with my results. Like many here have said, I think the P-01 is a much better shot than I really am!

Thanks for posting.

[manhairetis]

According to some posts here recently produced P-01s bear the NSN number, so I was just thinking...
What if you ask CZ USA to send the pistol to them, replace the slide stop spring with the NATO certified one and put the NSN number on the frame?
It looks laser engraved, should not be difficult and would make the best impression for their CS department.
Just an idea...

[HillGuy]

Good idea, manhairetis, but I think I'll just use it as is. If I decide to sell it later, I'll just tell a potential buyer mine has the upgraded spring and all these other ones don't!!

Went to the range today and I'm ready to start talking about how to get the most out of it and take care of it.

Did you mention you're in Europe? It's late here in the US!

In fact, I'm hittin' the sack right now!

[manhairetis]

Yes,
in Athens, Greece. It struck me that you were online and checked your local time before seeing your post, late indeed!!! It is 08:30 here.
I am glad you decided to leave the NSN issue behind and enjoy your pistol, I am certain you will like it a lot.
All the best,
Manousos

[djm3801]

Hillguy.. Not a data analyst any more. VP now. Even more surprising I have any humor left. Keeps me going. I feel NSN or no NSN, Overrun or no overrun, The quality control of a company in business since 1936 is what it is. I doubt they say "ok, over runs start now, lets do a crappy job.." They may have just made too many of one component and then decided to make the rest and assemble them. The spring thing is what it is. Many people replace them anyhow. The manufacturing process as well may be that they have frame / serial / barrel sets made and stacked. Assembly and test fire dates may come at different intervals. Engraving may come at different intervals. I doubt even CZ-USA can get a complete idea of chronology of every batch.

 FYI - had 2 load failures (had to push slide shut) in about 400 rounds with same ammo - Remington. Going to mark mags to see if it is one.. I think it is. Anyway, won't be visiting this thread again.. Enjoy whatever choice you make.

[HillGuy]

djm3801, thanks for your comments. Your last one makes a very good point. Like I told manhairetis, I'm good now and interested in learning more about the actual gun!

On the load failure, I actually had one yesterday in about 200 hundred rounds, but I really think I racked the slide sort of tentatively, rather than letting her go. No problems after I was more brisk in my slide rack.

If you see this, no need to reply here...I think I'm done with this thread, too!

Hope to see ya' around.

[ZTATactical]

I am very dissapointed with this and it seems that the CZ quality is going down.

[Stuart]

How do you go from the lack of the NSN # because of a upgraded part = quality going down?